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Last week, the Supreme Court did not rule regarding “gerrymandering” — deferring to a political state. (Gerrymandering, for those who might not know, is the ability of a state’s majority politics to set representative voting boundaries.)

These lines can be quite obviously politically motivated. Some districts are a few miles wide but dozens of miles in length.

As a moderate, when first read the SCOTUS decision, I was disappointed. Then, later, I read on page 6 or so about two neighborhoods in Chicago, 12 miles apart; the life-expectancy differs by decades, due to one neighborhood being more violent. Well, whose fault is that? I asked myself! Not the cops.

Then, much later, I thought about it all and wondered what the Constitution states, so looked it up.

Then, I perused volumes of a patriotic early American publication. “The Federalist Papers,” and again thought about it!

I soon concluded, SCOTUS was correct!

Tough for some to swallow, but maybe these are lazy dingers too?

Complaining is not “involvement.” I wondered, “How many complainers even vote?”

Then I read the Minneapolis Star Tribune editorial on Sunday, June 30. The editorial echoed my oft complaint of citizen apathy, suggesting “getting involved.”

Basically, do you think freedom is free and deserved, because you are and stay uninvolved, because you are lazy?

If so, you should just shut the (heck) up. No hiding behind freedom (Constitution). You forfeited your “liberty-say” by not-doing.

What are you? Scofflaw.

“Scofflaw” includes “party wonks.” They’re no different than the presdient many of us complain about. Selfish, lazy, “me-firsters.”

Is your situation generally fixable? Get to it. Help fix it.

Doesn’t matter if you are wealthy, poor, a businessperson or labor, work as a gym or art teacher or are unemployed. If you do exactly what America’s founders feared when they gave us a nation, nothing, you are just another complaining scofflaw.

Congress included. Like us, Congress is the enemy.

Independence Day is not for the spoiled, the lazy, the baby whiners. Scofflaws are no different than grifters who scam everyone they meet and know.

These “Kingfisher” dingers drive through stop signs and leave shopping carts strewn about, hustle and talk a lot. Basically, it is, “I got mine” selfishness!

All cost us time, money and harm the freedom and the “independence” they are so-quick to scream about, when denied.

If the shoe fits, you’re lazy; living off others, like Trump, but with less cash.

Scofflaws don’t “do.”

SCOTUS isn’t supposed to choose for you or do “your” American job. There is never a free lunch!

We get the governance and neighborhood we deserve.

You love anything, get to working for it.

It’s Independence Day boyo, change.

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Hive

Boy, Bo steps in Teabill's squat...your comment is self-indicting, seems to me and you boyos get clipped, and asked for it. Amazing and so true to form. Like POTUS, "My ball, am going home!" Sad and does nothing to enhance your positions. "Saying," Elmer Ganty, (Martin will love that) never makes it so, which is a conservative believe...remember what Lincoln said about trying to fool people. Of course, he forgot about when someone fools themselves... JD maybe hard on y'all, but you asked for it, didn't y'all?

jdinfinity

Boohoo Bo. Cry my a river. I don't care if I roll with pigs or get dirty. And I will not be cordial or respectful. But Bo you're right. The real hate I have is for haters. Nationalist haters. Trumpites. People that put 'Amurika' above others. Above immigrants, above decency and humanity. Above other countries, either culturally, politically, or militarily. And I don't have to say much else, except Bo, Teabilly and others speak perfectly for themselves as to type and the conduct of character that they are, through espousing those hateful, selfish, american exceptionalist, and nationalist beliefs. They are scum, and they are tools. And I have no reservations about calling such that they are, exactly that.

Hive

Seems simple enough to me Kill, only one cause "Trump", save echo of 1930s Fascism talk!

killallthelawyersfirst

Perhaps Trump supporters can explain what they believe Trump means by "Support our cause?"

Lesismore

Few can argue for Trump. He is what he is. We elected a ringer human being. I think the idea of fly with crows fits well. CPS has fired a few teachers. All seniority based.

Hive

Two things, I have been a Winonan since 1954. I believe I said, "Never fight with a pig (argue???) you both get dirty, and the pig likes it!" If I got personal, say or show me as it is just not my thing to use "argumentum ad hominem." "Fallacy" is a wonderful book. It points out how "appeals to authority," "name-calling" are false argument and lead nowhere. Still, some persist in calling others names or pointing to some sort of "other" agreeing link etc...the force of any position is its soundness, which usually is its "middle terms," not what is extranious or personal!

Hive

Besides, what about the urge to say and the old "sticks and stones..." and "water off a duck's back?" You (whomever) are here, and that is the important thing...or is it?

Hive

I do not recall, being critically personal ever, even when Easy chewed on me a bit...and do not have leverage on what others say aboard this bateau. If it seemed and implication, I'd suggest that is "a read" by the reader...signifying some internal dissonance??? What else? As we have said a few times, "fly with crows, get shot at..." What else? BTW, comments do not feed an ego...save ideas. One "thinks" and remembers to "Always leave a place better for having been there!" We try, but also admit to imperfections.

bolake

Deplorable +1

bolake

Hive - Bo don’t play here anymore and you know why. I’m done wasting my time feeding your ego and the ego of your protege and personal attack dog JD with his hate filled rants. You two are incapable of carrying on a respectful conversation with anyone that has a different perspective and opinion than yours. As I have stated before ... You have a severe case of TDS, your hate for everything Trump has gotten the better of you. Your protege JD has a severe case of BoDS (Bo Derangement Syndrome). I figured out why I don’t see many posts from conservatives in the WDN. Ya think it could be crapola like this from JD...”And yes I'm going to jump right down your throat again about what a worthless, hypocritical, unaccountable human being you are Bo....” Or crapola like this from JD describing me as a ”bigoted homophobic, Islamophobic, white supremacist racist, greedy, selfish, moronic idiot”. Or crapola like this from JD. “You once again became ALL those things I've called you, and more...." “As if there weren't enough indicating that you were a racist piece of $hiznit Bo?” “And then you ran away like a little biznitch.” After Easy passed the Banter here on WDN turned to hateful personal attacks. I just don’t care to participate in this type of over the line behavior. A wise guy from Chicago once told me not to argue with pigs, you get dirty and they like it.

jdinfinity

U got er' Hive. If that's the person you want to be, it reflects poorly on you, and on this nation. What can you do? Simply look at toolbags like Tr(D)ump and T'billy whilst shaking your head. That's about it.

The Deplorable Teabilly

OH boy jdinfinity called me a toolbag, LOL, we know when a liberal left wing nut job calls you a name, that I have a reserved spot in their head. you armchair lefty Einstein's really should just come out of the closet and identify as the Communists you are. You will be the first one in line for food stamps when old Bernie get your mandatory contributions from your social security money and bankrupts you and Hive. Did you ever consider moving South to Columbia or Guatemala? A man with your intellectual capabilities would have no problem solving those countries problems.

Hive

T'billy, If your "great one" had his way, Tanks would be moving down PA Ave...but, DC and Congress common sense prevailed. JD, No difference between Alt-right and religiouos fanatics...blind belief and to hell with others... But, when you fly with crows, you get shot at...!

jdinfinity

I have to post this again. Even for being redundant, because people don't realize how dangerous, selfish, and stupidly arrogant it really is. 'Nationalism' - loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see consciousness sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Hive

So, $150.2 mil, for who labors for some American is bad, illegals or not? Put yourself in their shoes. Are these dodgera fleeing something? And, who might be responsible for what they flee? Everything is relative, me thinks!

The Deplorable Teabilly

I was referring to kiILL all the Lawyers comments about tanks, Here is something you and your minions have forgotten Mr. Johnson. The United States Military is the bedrock of our freedom and safety, (read that again) . We maintain a safe and secure democratic country because of the fact we have a strong military, and a lot of other countries benefit from that also. To honor them we display our military today, honor them, and celebrate our freedom and country. Trump is not afraid to be thankful and non apologetic about our country and military.

Hive

Bet I been to the Parkway more than POTUS...and on the taxpayers too...for far less.

Hive

Tsk! Tsk! No Prius for this dodger...just an ordinary gas job. Hixton, place where entraprenureal Native Americans mined used to go to buy "Hixtonite"... to sell or barter to other Native Americans, to tip arrows shot at dingers and deer. Near Osseo, as I recall. I do more than most, laddie!

Hive

Deplorable, thought the (my) objections were obvious. I do like the way your words put it. I also thought I mentioned they (tanks) were "here and there" stationary...al so crazy.

Hive

This dinger's gambit will cost us $150.2 million $coots...nice!

The Deplorable Teabilly

How much do you think free medical care for illegals would cost us, or forgiving student debt? How about medicare for all and elimination of all private health insurance. Your fixated on a 4th of July parade whick is a day of patriotism and a thank you to our military. Whats the cost of people busting our borders and demanding free care and housing, lets see Hive we just sent HHS what 5.6 BILLION? thats on top of the Billions already spent. Yea Bit-h about a parade and Potus, How about the 14 soldiers killed in Afghanistan this year? Or the billions being pis-ed away on the foolish programs and give aways. Oh yea, get your teeth in that parade and shake it like a bulldog, let the rest of the real concerns that CNN and MSNBC wont tell you to complain about pass on by. Lazy thinking on your part, same old song and dance you put out week after week, just the easy stuff, your a scofflaw.

Hive

I forgot...+1 Kill. Maybe Bo, K and Teabilly read (what fits their mind-sets, but choose to avoid thinking. Notice their absence?

Hive

Kill, looks like those "tanks" will not "parade" and will be stationary, sitting in the heat here and there. Spendy. Bullroar! The cost is set at over 40 million tax dollars and climbing...so a "great" spectical can trumpet Trump. Amazing how this dinger gets away with it. Then there is the Census kerfluffle. This guy is the greatest...greatest dinger America has produced. And, if the DNC had not tinkered with the selection process (Clinton) we might have avoided this dork. Congress needs to fix it so trust is not so abused, IMO.

killallthelawyersfirst

Mr. Hive, The word "Tanks" came up on the news. Guess POTUS is going to copy the Cold War Soviet marches. Want to bet the people who like tanks on the streets do not read or do not read opinions? Maybe we waste our time and is not our time important? Do Mr. Khansky, Mr. Boo, Mr. Teabilly and so on really have more patriotic things to do with their time, like scubbing tanks clean, instead of seeking justice or alternatives to a children in dire straits due to a really stuck POTUS and his White House staff. Then too, it has occurred to me, that maybe the aforementioned group does not care to read.

The Deplorable Teabilly

The "tanks" will not be coming up the streets, They will be on display. American children, citizens ,are in dire straights in many of our communities, where is your outcry? American women, elder citizens, citizen children, working poor, are in need of medical care. Where is your outcry? Let me answer that: You are more concerned about people busting our borders illegally and attempting to take advantage of us. Your whine about justice is just that a whine, Trump is not copying Soviet marches, you are an ill informed clown, read history, they are many examples of military hardware in parades in our country. Have you ever drove by parks in Wisconsin and saw a tank displayed? Put some gas in your Prius and drive over to Hixton, There is one there. Your a lazy citizen, instead of accepting the outcome of the last election, Obama " elections have consequences" you sit home and whine. Get out and campaign for your candidate of choice, get him or her elected.

Hive

JD was item in recent Strib or The Week re vacations...think Europe average work week is 35 hours. Here is longer. But, do not know if part time included. Was item I read last Christmas and saved someplace...we USA types work too much, do not take appropriate time off...again, part time work included? Doubt it. Contrast is there, between items. I would guess here (Winona) we work more, Chicago, etc, less...and depends on work...labor vs office...etc. We all blame and point fingers, but really do nothing. Same with politics, to me. Wife likes Kagan's position. Not so sure Kagan is right, but her dissent also makes strong argument against SCOTUS majority and against "gerrymandering power." Well, who/what wins...rules...always! Not like dems are so different...

killallthelawyersfirst

Here it is Mr. Hive..."No hiding behind freedom (Constitution)." Too many people do it!

jdinfinity

"Basically, do you think freedom is free and deserved, because you are and stay uninvolved, because you are lazy?" This is Amurika isn't it? Don't we all live that way? So easy for us to sit around. Be lazy and distracted. Then we see something we don't like and get enraged. And yet we don't do anything about it. Goto Japan, there isn't a piece of garbage or trash littered anywhere. Goto Europe, people can work 20 hours a week, 10 months a year and can make a living with early retirement. We are sheep here in Amurika. Easily led, easily fooled. And it reflects perfectly in the idiotic nationalist core right, and the dangerous dinger prez ruling the land. We deserve it.

killallthelawyersfirst

You have a line I copied and now forgot. Will come back, with it. I agree.

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