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Hive

First, I think Kill makes two good points, on subtle and one direct, and agrees with Bo, or the other way round.

America could feed the world. True, but we have to feed us first, which moves to the crux of the matter.

America cannot take in the world. More people dilutes everything, Food, clothing, shelter and makes for a mess.

Like he says, or implies people are like water, slipping to easiest level...that is not how American began, so being wary is being smart...people (men especially) running to America or another "safe" place for safety or to hide are not interested in their own nation (their nation).

Survival entails profiling, and avoidance behaviors...NOT PC-ness.

jdinfinity

"Isn’t that like extortion? Send more money or we will send more people. Lol"

Interesting, but not how it is intended. Especially for each suffering individual and family wanting a better life. Such an attitude lacks empathy imo. It doesn't consider that plight of said suffering individual, just the unintended result of them wanting to leave.

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"....Again I never said anything about Blacks or Mexicans steeling anything."

Not it was totally implied, both as a literal element and metaphorically for our welfare systems...

And btw again, learn how to spell...

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" We already have over 500,000 homeless unemployed people in America. Perhaps we should focus on them first." "According to the Center for Immigration studies.... “ "etc...etc...etc..."

Seriously? So what? Is their labor necessary? Is it hurting our economy? Are they bad people because of it?

You seem to have this engrained notion in your head that because someone is having a rough time and/or on welfare they are immediately loafers? And although this is an argument shift/subject change.....how many large corporations get government welfare and pocket the money in tax benefits that go into corporate wallets? How much money is wasted on defense and military spending?

Wasteful government and greedy corporations do far more damage to the economy, people and the environment than people on welfare, and/or immigrants from other nations.

Much much bigger threat. By far.

I really believe your party is being deceived by trying to demonize immigrants and the poor, when in fact how you and your party treats them that is the problem Bo...

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"I always felt that the wall was more civil and was a reasonable deterrent. But I conceded your point that we need a more modern Hi-Tech solution. "

I wasn't making a point, I was being facetious! ESPECIALLY about arming them! I'm all for the 21st century surveillance to help limit terrorism and criminal elements, and even immigration border control. But you just thought and assumed the drones could easily pick people off and starting drooling all over it...

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"Calling me a “xenophobic, racist, idiot” does not validate your comments." - Bo

No, but it does describe you to a tee...

bolake

Forgot to say Kill is correct except for the Trump comment. IMO

bolake

JD – You didn’t say “World food waste” you said “We throw enough food away”. We don’t even throw away enough food to feed 2 Billion. You only ½ corrected yourself because I showed how ridicules your statement was.
“xenophobic racist.” Over used phrase is meaningless.
“Yes! For sure!!!! Give them more aid!!” Isn’t that like extortion? Send more money or we will send more people. Lol
“Any country we decrease aid to fosters corruption, allows more tyrannical systems to come into power, and causes more people to be oppressed. Therefore more people end up leaving such nations and come here. By giving them aid we limit this.” This contradicts your statement to give them more money so they are encouraged to stay. So lame, you can’t have it both ways.
“We're not so great ourselves at times. But life here is still better than elsewhere.” Kind of contradicts what you said about how terrible bad we are.
I know in the past I have spoken about the criminal element with illegals. However, this time around I’m just talking about the sheer numbers. We are talking about 100,000 a month not a 100,000 a year.
Again I never said anything about Blacks or Mexicans steeling anything.
“Very obviously these people would get jobs, pay for things themselves, and contribute to their own livelihood.” Easier said than done. Not that they wouldn’t want to do that but the logistics just don’t support it. We already have over 500,000 homeless unemployed people in America. Perhaps we should focus on them first.
According to the Center for Immigration studies. “63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs” “Compared to 35% of native households” we need to create opportunities for less people to be on Welfare not more people.
Most of the asylum seekers are only going to qualify for minimum wage jobs. We all know that you can’t support a family on a minimum wage job. For those people that are in favor of raising the minimum wage to $15/Hour (which still isn’t enough to raise a family) bringing in 100,000 asylum seekers in every month is not going to help the cause. It will create an overabundance of workers willing to work for less.
You put the drone idea into my head when you convinced me months ago that the wall was medieval. I then looked into how we protect the borders in other areas of the world were we have a military presence and discovered that we use armed drones. I always felt that the wall was more civil and was a reasonable deterrent. But I conceded your point that we need a more modern Hi-Tech solution.
Calling me a “xenophobic, racist, idiot” does not validate your comments.

jdinfinity

I concede, world food waste would only feed an additional 2billion people according to the stats.

See Bo, I actually try to correct myself and hold myself accountable when I make mistakes or post false things here.

Something you NEVER do...

Next. Let us pick apart your drivel, statement by statement....

"Yup it is idiotically ironic that they would not stay in their beloved country and build structures, shelters and work the farm land at home." -Bo

Yes, and it's not idiotically ironic that you're a xenophobic racist.

Next.

"Are you suggesting that we increase foreign aid as a deterrent to immigrants coming here?" -Bo

See Bo, this is where you are so friggin' off-base, so stupid, it is mind boggling. Yes! For sure!!!! Give them more aid!!

Any country we decrease aid to fosters corruption, allows more tyrannical systems to come into power, and causes more people to be oppressed. Therefore more people end up leaving such nations and come here. By giving them aid we limit this.

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"At what point do we make our country as bad as the country all these people are fleeing from. " -Bo

Is this before or after we incarcerate the most people as a modern nation? Have the most gun deaths per capita as one? Abort the most babies? Have the most school shootings? Promote human rights while supporting regimes that abuse them?

We're not so great ourselves at times. But life here is still better than elsewhere. But what I despise the most Bo, is you just assume that because refugees come here, that said refugees are just outright criminals. Most of them are civilians, and criminal records they have are marginal at best.

Criminal foreign invaders instead of legit families and people that need our help.

But you just choose the hate and fear card first rather than help...

Next.

"One word Drones. What would you do if I just showed up at your house uninvited and raided you wallet, fridge and took all you beer? You wouldn’t have much choice. Right? You would just let me waltz in and waltz out without saying a word. Right?" -Bo

In your pea sized, racist, xenophobic mind, you must be one of those people that think black people are going to come and steal everything, only this time they're Mexican.

Very obviously these people would get jobs, pay for things themselves, and contribute to their own livelihood. Yes new laws and policies will have to be created to adjust for these new immigrants. Including paying into Uncle Sam. But turning our backs on them doesn't seem like much of an option anymore.

Unlike some idiots that'd rather shoot them with drones to solve our problems.

Hive

I must have goofed. Thought topic entertained density demographic, not thinning-means etc.

bolake

Hive - 100,000 asylum seekers a month is not a crisis at the border? I have asked and asked and have never gotten an answer. How many asylum seekers are we to take in? When is enough enough? At what point do we make our country as bad as the country all these people are fleeing from. We fought a revolutionary war to get freedom from a government we did not care for. Perhaps it is time these people from 3 world countries do the same.

bolake

Hive - JD brought it up. "And then some say we should keep them out or shoot them down at the border with drones..."

Hive

Bo, you're "droning!" Missed the point, again.

bolake

JD – Closing the border is a stupid idea. Drones on the other hand, as you mentioned is very good idea. Besides my Drone stock could use a boost. If we cut foreign aid we could buy more Drones. Are you suggesting that we increase foreign aid as a deterrent to immigrants coming here? 100,000 asylum seekers a month is not a crisis at the border? Get Real. “We throw enough food away to feed the world 5 times over or more.” Very doubtful someone needs to fact check JD on that. The US population is about 350 Million. The World population is about 8 Billion. Even if we waste 50% of our food that would only feed another 350 Million. Not 40 Billion as JD claimed. Seriously JD I thought you told me your strong suite was math or economics or something other than stupidity. Then there is the logistics of getting it to the people that need it around the world before it spoils. Which is why we throw it out in the first place.
“The immigrants we're trying to turn away at the southern border are really really good at making structures, shelters, and/or working on farms.” “Hmmm? How idiotically ironic is that?” Yup it is idiotically ironic that they would not stay in their beloved country and build structures, shelters and work the farm land at home.
“Whether we like it or not, they're coming. Don't think we have much choice.” One word Drones. What would you do if I just showed up at your house uninvited and raided you wallet, fridge and took all you beer? You wouldn’t have much choice. Right? You would just let me waltz in and waltz out without saying a word. Right?
Glad to see you came to your senses in regards to the Muller Report.

Hive

JD, maybe not so dim, the man is obsessed with himself, meaning attention and winning. The phucker cheats at golf, only to win. And every one knows it, so no shame...as the SS service runs around with pockets full of golf balls,

We get what we deserve, until we puke it up.

jdinfinity

His closing the border thing, yet another stupid idea from a stupid man.

Auto manufacturing would come to a standstill. After that, recession.

Add to that cutting foreign aid to the countries that the most immigrants are flooding here from?

Will exacerbate the situation and make it ten-fold worse for too many people coming in..

Who needs the Mueller report when the idiocy keeps piling up all on its own without it..?

Hive

Nope, forget it...wrong thread...duh on me twice, better do leaves.

Hive

Typed DT meant JD...duh!

Hive

DT re Border Closings...he has stepped in it, even if he was attention-getting and now faces some push-back from republicans who have suffered from extreme tunnel vision for too long.

Hive

JD, also good comments for later consideration...if "they" are coming, why? Will "they"dilute? If too many people will Ma take here usual course and decrease what is surely overpopulation? And how does overpopulation differ from excessive immigrations?

Hive

Bo, you make a point good enough for me to say I agree...and save for later item
While our situ sucks lazy people tend to be like water...too many dingers here.

Hive

POTUS wants to close the border, and I hope he does...all geared to pooh on Mexicans and make DT look smart...he closes it, he's is done!

jdinfinity

It doesn't matter if it's here, there or anywhere else Bo. Human overpopulation is only going to get worse.

But, if more and more people come here to the US?

Is there enough food and shelter to accommodate them? Absolutely. We throw enough food away to feed the world 5 times over or more. Need more apartments, houses? And guess what? The immigrants we're trying to turn away at the southern border are really really good at making structures, shelters, and/or working on farms. Hmmm? How idiotically ironic is that?

So as for taking people in? By all means yes, friggin' yes. There are huge shortages of labor in this country, skilled especially.. By not taking people in we short change ourselves on bringing new minds, innovation and said skills to our country. And as will probably be shown by Trump's border shutdown idiocy policy crapola, xenophobia only leads to less economic benefits as opposed to more for everyone. What a stupid idea that is. Wow.

Room for plenty more, and whether we like it or not, they're coming. Don't think we have much choice.

But as for human overpopulation as a general notion? Totally different line of thought considering the parasitic and polluting despicable beings we are, and how we treat the planet. Fortunately that planet will be around after we're long gone, just to heal the damage we've done..

bolake

JD - You say we should “Take in those who are abused, and/or come from unsafe, terrible living conditions in whatever part of the world.” Ok, I get it you have compassion for others. That is very noble. My question to you is how many people do you want to accommodate? I read some where that 175 Million adults want to come to the US and live the American Dream. Assuming they bring their families that would be 700 Million immigrants. Twice the current population of the US. Do you honestly think we could support that many immigrants?

jdinfinity

Interesting. We support regimes and countries that commit human rights abuses all the time, otherwise we'd have no allies.

Ironic that we open arms to refuges fleeing some of these places when we might be the facilitator and incubator of such abuses, through either policy or apathy.

Regardless, this article, and attitudes like it are noble. As are American attitudes that embrace such ideals. Take in those who are abused, and/or come from unsafe, terrible living conditions in whatever part of the world.

And then some say we should keep them out or shoot them down at the border with drones...

Effective? No, because then it will further make new generations of people to hate us. Regardless, it's not very noble, not very American...

Hive

K, you may be correct. Gave me idea for later item. Thanks.

killallthelawyersfirst

I think perhaps Mr. Grabus is not quite right. If America did not exist, one wonders what this person would do? Not sure having a safe haven makes the world safer. Maybe a safe place to emigrate too makes it easier to run, instead of demanding basic human rights and quashing people like Trump and Latin tyrannies that terrify poor people, while we support them.

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