Woman charged in boat crash : Winona Daily News

El Uno wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 PM:

" If you had said that Mrs. Salisbury was a bimbo for slamming a boat into another going 40-50 mph, you would have been doing something comparable to Jerome. Instead you choose to disrespect all females by claiming that all women are unable to drive boats. Your legs must be so sore from all this backpedaling... You just got Unoed on!!!! "

El Uno wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:29 PM:

" Oh and woodycakes, another flaw in your "experiment" would be that Jerome was implying Mrs? Bachman was inept because of the things she said or did, not because she was female. If Jerome had said that Michelle was not good at her job because woman aren't smart enough to hold that position then there would have been outrage. "

El Uno wrote on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM:

" El Dos - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! "

J.D. wrote on Jan 9, 2009 12:38 PM:

" El Dos ~ I'm not crying....Just a friendly argument..... "

El Dos wrote on Jan 9, 2009 10:50 AM:

" J.D...is that you crying over THIS? Ha!
Now, get on Dewey and Bolstad! "

PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 9, 2009 6:50 AM:

" Sticks and Stones:

I recall reading Mr. Christensen's column in which he made the 'bimbo' reference. I winced a little, then moved on. I'm fairly sure my wife read it, but she didn't bring it up. In my opinion, the lack of outcry over Mr. Christensen's use of the word may have been because we as a society have progressed, and we can now actually use those words in a different, non-threatening context that indeed mocks their original, serious meanings. It's sort of akin to waiting a reasonable time to make jokes about what once was an off-limits subject. Maybe we are learning to take literally the phrase, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." "

El Uno wrote on Jan 8, 2009 7:57 PM:

" k woody, here's the difference; Jerome talked about one lady (wasn't right of him but I've honestly never met her and I can;t go to bat for everyone everytime), you disrespected all women with your ignorant "experiment". That means you are saying my mother, sister, and girlfriend are not capable of learning something because they are a woman. That is stupid, immature, and ignorant. You are a man-bimbo. :) "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:38 PM:

" JD....I dont care if it was a man or woman driving the boat, I have a few friends who I prefer to have their wives driving the boat( I wont name names or slip #'s!). My point is, I make a sexist remark about a woman, and I am immediately put on my heels defending my assinine remarks. If a newspaper article, or a media source(like msnbc lets say) attacks a politically conservative female, nobody says a word...and when caled to the carpet on it, still refuse to acknowledge, even going so far as to say the word "bimbo" is okay to use when describing or addressing a female...where's the logic? Tell me? I'll listen "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:32 PM:

" And J.D....IF you truly are a friend of my mothers, you would know I was raised almost single-handedly by her...You would have known from the get-go that this whole thing was a put on meant to prove a point. And that point being, modern day feminism is a subjective movement sadly motivated by politcal allegiance, and conservative women are not welcome in that movement whatsoever, no matter how vicious the attack. "

J.D. wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:31 PM:

" Chad...This has nothing to do with politics either....Every post you make you turn into a political argument. Left wing, right wing, conservative...Who gives a cr@p? "

J.D. wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Here are my questions to all you men regarding this article....
Who is to say that this couldn't have happened if a man were driving the boat? Prove to me a man couldnt' have done the same thing...
Why do you assume that she didn't know how to drive a boat? She wasn't paying attention, guys do it all the time.....Doesn't mean she can't drive a boat.
Can you define accident? Which is exactly what this was...
Would we be having this argument if a man had been driving the boat? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:44 PM:

" An El Uno, if you do dare to reply and defend yourself, leave the personal remarks out of it if you possibly can...I know it's hard for you but just try...focus on how to gracefully back out of your position.... "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:41 PM:

" Feminism and the defense of a womans rights do not apply to conservative women...that was pretty much the hypothesis of this entire experiment..El Uno has proven it CLEARLY for us. IF, as a woman, you are discriminated upon by someone using sexist and condescending/belittling terms, you as a woman can expect a full army of defenders behind you to attack said offender...IF however your political views are not inline with the defenders, they willnot defend you...not one word will be said in your honor or defense...that's the lesson we can learn here kids...The far left is subjective in theior defense of feminism and womens rights, CLEARLY evidenced right here on these blogs, and in the 2008 presidential race. "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:35 PM:

" redbridge, its left at 68 because the dock power is included with the slip...why not! I'll buy some carbon credits, no big deal. "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:33 PM:

" So...as we progress in my little experiment here...Using El Uno's example of feminism...it is okay to belittle and an elected official by using sexist terms to describe her and her politics, and to actually even go so far as to call her "our girl"...that's okay..right? And why is that okay? Because she's a Republican and conventional feminism doesnt apply to conservative based women.. You're politics are a fraud El Uno...Argue my points or slink away...which will it be? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 8, 2009 3:30 PM:

" Hahah, El Uno...care to address your selective/subjective feminism? That's what this whole thing was about. I got a complete rise out of you when I dared to question the skippering abilities of a woman...I dared to do that...WHY did I not get the same response form you when back in June I learly pointed out to you that a woman was being described in sexist and condescending remarks? Can you address that? Can you PLEASE address that? "

redbridge wrote on Jan 8, 2009 10:15 AM:

" El Uno: "Shine on woodster." OMG.

I nearly soiled myself. Can I USE that? "

El Uno wrote on Jan 8, 2009 9:03 AM:

" wow..... I mean WOW! Your 5:02 post is classic!Get over yourself!!!! You still think of woman as second class citizens and still find offense in the word bimbo... yep it's official woody was sent here from 1932. Maybe your next cause should be standing up for elephants who feel disrespected after the movie "Dumbo". Shine on woodster "

J.D. wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:56 AM:

" Chad, Chad, Chad....Sexist remarks such as you have displyed in this particular article show your total lack of respect for women and your ignorance of females and what we have to endure on a daily basis to get ahead in this world. Does your Mother (and I know her well) agree with your view? In my defense (not that I feel I need to defend myself) I didn't read Jerome's article when he called someone a "bimbo", but just because Jerome said it, doesn't mean you should. If Jerome jumped off a bridge, would you? "

redbridge wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:24 AM:

" And Kevin Behr, you did drop the ball in failing to name the owner of the boat and whether any BAC testing was done. I'm sure this was a horrific scene to come upon, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that recovery was complete before law enforcement arrived.

You may not have been brought up on the river, Kevin. But alcohol is always a question - and often a factor - in boating crashes.

68 degrees? "

redbridge wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:13 AM:

" Except for not believing cewoodford would say something like that, JD is right. I've met many women who own and operate their own boats. There is a word for people who pat themselves on the back(5:02 pm) after a day of ranting about crap like this - Flamer.

You really leave your boat a/c at 68 degrees when you're not there? 68?
Is this for the comfort of your crew or is your fridge on the blink? "

redbridge wrote on Jan 8, 2009 6:03 AM:

" This sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. If Jerome gets to say sexist things, then cewoodford gets to say sexist things. But I have to wonder, Chad - How does your significant other feel when you say these things? "

redbridge wrote on Jan 8, 2009 5:39 AM:

" So if I understand this correctly, some of you still actually read Jerome's pieces? "

jcbl wrote on Jan 7, 2009 8:32 PM:

" Blah, blah f*&^%$ BLAH!!! "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 7:53 PM:

" You El Uno, are a selective/subjective feminist, is there a reason you found it unacceptable for ME to have an opinion on the skippering abilities of females, but had NO opinion on the subject of the WDN using words such as "our girl? and "bimbo" to describe Michelle Bachman that, you didnt have a problem with back on June 18th...is it because her political views dont align with hers that you find it acceptable to describe her with these words? Want to answer or just slink away? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:04 PM:

" (crickets)..... "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM:

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cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 5:02 PM:

" can you see hwere post #1 was going from the beginning now El Uno? funny how I work huh? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 4:59 PM:

" OR is it now okay to refer to females we disagree with as "bimbos"? Would you call you mother or sister a bimbo? Would that be acceptable at your holiday dinner? how about your secreatary? Refer to her as a Bimbo? Think that'd be okay? Why is it okay for the WDN to call an elected official a "Bimbo"? Seriously? You're mad at ME because I have an opinion on their skippering abilities? Hillarious! Address the WDN's sexist political tirade they published and then we'll talk about boating.. Go ahead...call them out...I dare you....bet you won't... "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 4:55 PM:

" I take that back. One lone female out of all the strong willed feminists in the WDN readership came to her defense. It shouldnt have mattered if she was a Republican, a Democrat, or a Martian. Calling ANY female a "bimbo" and her legislating "bimbo politics" is completely unacceptable and shows a dire lack of journalistic integrity on the publishing newspaper. Why do you think the feminists didnt come to her defense? Care to answer? Why has the WDN not given an appology to the offended defamed woman? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 4:50 PM:

" El Uno, I stand behind my blatant sexist statement( meant to get a rise out the selective feminists on these boards). If the editorial staff at the WDN can print blatant sexists mysogynist(sp?) articles about a sitting elected official and not have ONE feminist say one iota of words of defense to a fellow female...certainly, my sexist views on who I think should be operating watercraft on the Mississippi, shoud recieve no response whatsoever. I am starting to think that Feminists only stick up for females being degraded when it suits their political views or dogma. Prove me wrong. Please...Not one feminist came to the rescue of the elected female legislator practicing "bimbo politics"...isnt that ironic? "

El Uno wrote on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM:

" "obvious cause of this accident was a woman who had no clue how to operate a boat and had no idea the basic rules of boating on the Mississippi"

Couldn't this have been written as: obvious cause of this accident was a PERSON who had no clue how to operate a boat and had no idea the basic rules of boating on the Mississippi?

Makes me think your woman argument is flawed... unless you have proof that boating knowledge is stored in Y chromosomes. "

El Uno wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:58 PM:

" While it is a very noble stance you are taking to raise awareness of the dangers of using the 1930's greatest putdown "Bimbo", you are WAY out of line here. If you want a defense to why this woman was operating the boat lets start with the fact that women, in the United States, share the same rights as men. "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Daventrain, I would NEVER question the actions or morality of Winona's law enforcement, Im only asking why there wasn't a b.a.c. done. It would seem to me there would be plenty of mitigating factors to warrant one. Abolutely not taking shots at the waterpatrol, I could NEVER do their job, it takes some intestinal fortitude to clean up some of the messes they run across. "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 2:03 PM:

" J.D....I NEVER EVER called a woman a "bimbo" those terms were used by Jerome Christenson to describe a sitting Mn legislator and her legislative actions. NOR have I questioned your intelligence, you have. I also noticed that when the WDN ran that article you never posted once objecting to the content of remarks regarding "Bimbos" and "bimbo politics"...does your defense of Women only apply to those with a liberla bend to their politics? Do you choose which women to defend and which to not? Please answer...I'l eagerly await your reply....And you still havent convinced me that it wasn't a mistake for this woman to be driving this boat either. "

J.D. wrote on Jan 7, 2009 1:06 PM:

" this is the kind of stuff that happens when you let your wife or girlfriend drive your boat

Hey CE ~ I can't believe you would say something like that. Believe it or not, there are some of us women who grew up on the river and can drive a boat. Don't generalize there are women in this world who are not "bimbos" and are actually smarter than you. Me being one of them. "

Daventrian wrote on Jan 7, 2009 12:40 PM:

" Woody - we are not a police state. The police cannot go around with a PBT testing anyone and everyone just because. First, the water patrol deputy would need a reason to believe the operator was impaired. Then the deputy would ask the operator to perform field sobriety tests. Only once the operator refused or performed poorly on the field sobriety tests does the deputy haved probable cause to administer a breath test. All of which is a moot point because they did not initially know who the operator of the boat was. Thus the reason it took this long to file charges. "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 11:23 AM:

" nope...not for a second, Im sexist about my boat. If Jerome Christenson can call a sitting memeber of congress a "bimbo" and her legislative actions "bimbo-politics" without as much as one local woman calling him out on that article, CERTAINLY I can point to the obvious cause of this horrible accident. Call me whatever you want, the clear and obvious cause of this accident was a woman who had no clue how to operate a boat and had no idea the basic rules of boating on the Mississippi....and YES, the owner of that boat should be charged with negligence for allowing an unqualified person to operate his boat. "

El Uno wrote on Jan 7, 2009 11:16 AM:

" Woah woody, might want to tone down the sexism a bit... "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:56 AM:

" and how about a BAC? since when does the waterpatrol pull you over at 8pm and NOT have you do a breathalizer? "

cewoodford wrote on Jan 7, 2009 10:53 AM:

" this is the kind of stuff that happens when you let your wife or girlfriend drive your boat, and who is the owner of the boat? He should be charged with allowing his gf to operate a powered watercraft as well, he's just as culpable in this accident. "

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