Rocked by the vote? Winona DFL headquarters vandalized early Wednesday : Winona Daily News

GRIM REAPER wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:17 PM:

" "cewoodford" is this really you or Sean Hannity come to hijack another blog spewing his far right rhetoric; hard to believe someone can drink so much hater-aid. Just say, yes we can! "

bartski wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:54 AM:

" And, is it ironic that your tone seems "bitter?" Where have we heard that before? And regarding taxes...in the mid-80's I made $150k/yr. Under Carter! My wife put me in a higher tax bracket but I didn't make her stay home, I paid my fair share. America has a progressive tax structure so that, as Charlatan says, we can maintain "stuff" but it also serves to perpetuate the existence of a large middle class..unlike some other quite unfortunate countries. Perple who don't share generally don't care. "

bartski wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:48 AM:

" So, CEWoodford, you and Charlatan aren't at opposite ends of the spectrum. In my humble opinion you are at one extreme reactionary end and he is in the cool, calm, collected, hopeful middle...believe it or not. I realize it's difficult for you to understand the concept of anything but "for or against" but there is such a thing. You and he reminded me mostly of the Presidential campaigns. One was hopeful, calm, cerebral, on message...one was just the opposite. You see who won. "

bartski wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:13 AM:

" (continued) He is on the cerebral end and YOU are more on the reactionary end. I hope your heart is in good health. You know, sometimes in traffic we summon up all kinds of caustic juices (almost like a cave man might have when a sabre-toothed tiger walked by his cave entrance)....when it's totally unnecessary! The calm and reason exhibited by Charlatan contrasted to your vitriole and diatribe, constantly harping, complaining...I think I can name your "tune" in two notes. "

bartski wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Hi CEWoodford, did you really mean it when you said the "Dems" have been in charge in Congress for the past four years? I think it's been only two years...not much time to get things done really, do ya think? I have been reading your interchanges with Charlatan and am quite amazed and enthralled by the dichotomous positions that you hold. But as I reflect on them I realize that YOU are on one extreme end and HE is not on the opposite end as you may think. "

really? wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:16 PM:

" Cewoodford were you in Chicago this morning? "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:23 PM:

" I have already said I was not proposing taxing "hard workers" (and thank you for being one. I have not said a word about growing government. You decided I was a "liberal" and you decided I'm in bed with the Democratic Party. All that I ever said was that there are many issues that need attention and that I do not believe taxes are anywhere near the top of what our primary concerns should be. But you never heard me. Herein lies the root of what the problem in this entire argument is...your final statement. And here is mine: Go Pack. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Charltan, one final post then I'm out for the afternoon(thank you for the entertainment).I am a HARD WORKER, granted I make more than Minimum wage, I still however am a hard worker. It is not fair to further confiscate my hard earne dollars.....does that STILL make me an uncarring rube? Am I selfish? Self centered?...Thats the problem, you party has demonized producers..instead of creating jobs and stimulating the economy, you just want to demonize the victims of your plans( the "rich" and "corporations")...in the end, you're screwing yourelf into the ground. You want to grow government? fine, I'm never going to convince you how worthless that is, but AT LEAST have an alterior plan to finance this government growth other than to tax "the rich" and "corporations" you need to grow the economy before you can grow govt....GO Vikes! "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:13 PM:

" (sigh) Banging my head on the wall would have been time better spent. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:10 PM:

" You better read your comments then Charltan, bvecause Im responding to YOUR posts, and everyone here can read them just as I have have...no hiing anymore buddy. Which one of my bills are you illing to pay? Money doenst mean anythingto you and you stated that below. Step to the plate or retract your ideologue...And the War in Iraq? Your Dem ran Congress could have pul;led them out starting in'06...they didnt and havent since. Why do you suppose that is? If Preident Elect Obama wants to pull them out, let him. The onus of retreating from Iraq is now squarely in the Democrats shoulders, I wouldnt be surprised if Obama doesnt retreat and lets them finish the mission(whatever that means). Have a good day Charltan, Im reverting to NFL mode. again, if you think you've exposed me as some idiot or simpleton, I suggets you re-read or interaction..good day Chral;tan "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:08 PM:

" I don't know what else to say, sir. I have said not one thing about taking more money from hard workers. I have not said a word promoting "socialist" programs. I even said that I did not think that raising taxes was the answer (that examining how we use the money we have is a better answer). Yet, you want to continue to put those words into my mouth. I guess I've got nothing else to say on it because this is not a lively debate about issues. You are arguing one thing, I am arguing quite another. I see your point (and just acknowledged it). You have not seen mine. There's not much point here, other than to entertain everyone else. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Bilking off of the hard workers? Are you kidding me? There's another Liberal misnomer..if you are successfull you've obviously taken it off the back of the laborer...let me tell you something Chrlatan, I AM the laborr, I AM the hardworker..I put the extra hrs in, I work weekends sometimes( like this am I was on a roof 67 stories up with an insurance adjustor at 7:15am)...all so I can better provide for my son and myself...but in your infinite wisdom it's okay to punish me for putting in the extra effort COMPLETELY subverting what paitalism and free markets are all about. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 1:00 PM:

" This is getting pretty funny. You obviously don't read (or think about) a word I say. You are arguing against points I have not made and you don't even recognize when I say something similar to what you have said. Amazing. As far as me running and hiding. Nope, I'm right here...happily exposing you for the single-thought individual that you are. However, I'm getting plenty bored with it. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Uhmmm wich bills? Which ones of mine are YOU willing to pay with your money? Roads? Fine, take the $500,000k we "found" to do the study oin the Shalkesopeare Arena. Jim Oberstar? Know him? He took over $12,000,000 earmarked for Mn highways and instead used that $$$ to build bikepaths and "interpretive centers" for his district..Healthcare? EASY, I just sent in my and my sons premium 2 wks ago. I dont rely on my government to do anything for me, I provide for myself and my family. When you justify further increases in taxes in a recessionary economy you are stirring up disaster, not for just "the rich" but for everyone involved. Which bill can I count on you to pay for me? again, I realixze moey doesnt mean muc to you so ths will be easy for you. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:55 PM:

" Summary: It is about more than just one issue. Many things in our nation need attention. Unfortunately, $$$ is often the direct way to fix many problems. While you argue that I think this means increasing taxes, and you say that we should create more jobs for more taxes (a relevant point), I say that we misuse a lot of the tax money we have (War in Iraq anyone?). I would like to see many more of our society's ills repaired during this next administration. No, I do not believe that raising taxes is the answer. I believe that assessing how we use the money that we have...is the answer. Now, go and pay your own bills and quit trying to bilk off of the hard workers of this country. Touche. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Well, they are not in good order in my world and more attention needs to be paid to them. Hence, my opinion that it is all about more than just one issue (taxation). Now, somewhere along the line, you decided that means I do not like money. You decided that means I am a socialist. You decided that you are only going to have one argument over and over...which of your bills do I wish to pay. I've determined that you just don't get what my argument is, and never will. Let me simplify one last time. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:50 PM:

" Care to address my comments or are you running and hiding now? Which of my bills can I count on you to pay for me? You dont care about money,so tell me, which bills of mine are you willing to pay? "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Yet, you have decided to take what little I have said about taxation and determine that I think: a) taxes should be raised; b) lazy people should get a free ride; c) government should have full control over how much we pay in taxes. Well, the truth is, you have chosen to be an American. You have chosen to have a government in order to maintain order and provide for public services. Therefore, you have chosen to take part in the system of taxation that we have. Apparently you are happy with the state of our roads, with the condition of education, with the present health care system. Apparently, all of these things are in good order, in your world. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:48 PM:

" oh name calling's a problem for you Charltan? I guess you calling me a simpleton because I dared to question why you want to further confiscate my hard earned dollars? You, like many opf your liberal bretheren, are walking CONTRADICTIONS...You are something else. BTW, which bills of mine are you wiling to pay for? "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:46 PM:

" And Charltan, aside from you calling me a simpleton because I DARE to stand up for the further confiscation of my hard earned dollars(Just another pathetic, baseles liberal arguement for further socialism)you STILL havent answered my questions. Since money doesnt mean nything to you, and you're all about the common cause( ala Karl Marx) why don't you pay a few of my bills this month? Serioulsy, which one do you want to start with? Your money doesnt mean anyhing to you so this should be no problem..Which bll of mine can I count on you to pay for? Let me know asap so I can figure next months budget. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:43 PM:

" And to my dear friend cewoodford. You lose all credibility when you go down that "you socialist idiots" road. I've encountered this sort far too many times. Name calling and finger pointing. Throw out the "socialist" label because that's what everyone is who does not share your opinions on taxation. The same sort of person who writes the letters to the editor that start out "you damn liberals." Why should I listen to someone that's so blind and unwilling to ever hear another point-of-view? (Learn to spell, will you please?) "

charlatan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:38 PM:

" A few thoughts. PerfectStranger understands that we are talking about much more, and how it all works. I concur with the remarks about "chat-speak." Show us some intelligence, perhaps we'll listen to you then. I also experience a large number of dolts who take my username as a reflection upon myself (after they look up it's meaning). Rarely do they understand that it is a commentary toward many of the people who post in these blogs. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:35 PM:

" You socialist idiots want more tax revenue to blow through? NO PROBLEM, real simple solution, CREATE MORE TAXABLE INCOME ( i.e. JOBS). You want less jobs in the USA? Easy, you're already doing it, raise the corporate taxes, demonize the job creators, and force them overseas/abroad...Again people, a few more hrs spent in Somsen Hall and a few LESS in Minne and you then might have a basic grasp of Macro Economics... "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:32 PM:

" Seriously...you guys REALLY think we need to increase taxes? Really? And thenwe watch our hard earned tax dollars being COMPLETELY frttered and wasted right before our very eyes in Winona..How much of your hard earned dollars are being completely burned right in front of you on the "feasibility study" of the Shakespeare Basketball Arena? Thats around a half million ($500,000)right up the chimney...now tell me socialist Winonans...tell me how our govt is ran on a shoestring, tell me how we dont give enough to government...tell me more "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Soooo Chalrtan after you said this" Again, you don't get it. All you care about is money and taxes and keeping "whats yours"..." I am lead to believe the posts you made after that were nothuing but hogash covering your socialist tirade. I pay ENOUGH in taxes already. It is NOT for YOU or the GOVT to decide how much of the money Ive worked for I am entitled to. Almost 40%( not including user fees. gas taxes.etc) I pay ENOUGH IN..Here's what we SHOULD be doing, creating MORE income, MORE jobs, encouaging industry to reinvest in America( that would mean NOT raising the already astronomical Corp tax, whic pres elct Obama wants to do). You people need to get a basic grasp of Macro-economics..Spend a litlle more class time in Somsen Hall and a little LESS in Minne hall. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Correction: 'many', my second typo of the morning. I'm still not 'perfect'. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Correction: 'people'. I'm not 'perfect', sorry. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:50 AM:

" Why is it that so few pwople know what a "perfect stranger" is? Why is it that so many people assume that my use of that 'handle' means I think I'm 'perfect'? Of course, many do know the true meaning, but use the 'perfect' part to slam me. Well, El Dos, you'll have to try a lot harder than that. It's been done many times before, and will be done amny times more. Besides, I can answer my own questions here if I want. You are free to comment in any way you like as well, but I must say, the use of chat-speak (LOL, etc) lowers the level of any response you make here. This isn't a cell phone, or an e-mail to a teenager. You have the right to use it, but it speaks volumes to me about who you are. "

El Dos wrote on Nov 9, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Ohh... that was a thought, not a question. My Bad. "

El Dos wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:59 AM:

" Repulisive I tell you - people who answer their own questions and have no idea what they ask? LOL....
Stranger you may be ...
lose the Perfect, FAR FAR FAR from that... "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:38 AM:

" If you don't buy insurance, you carry your risk all by yourself. Now, let us return to that Interstate highway. If you don't willingly pay the taxes needed to build and maintain the system, you certainly shouldn't expect to participate in the use of it. Toll roads are another matter, since theoretically you only pay for (a portion of) the toll road you use, not the entire gamut of federal, state, county and local roads. Of course, you have another option. America offers you freedoms, which means you have the freedom to leave if you don't like what's happening here. One final thought - how did these comments go so far from the original story about someone who threw rocks through a window, and why? "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:28 AM:

" Now, I should have said you can get to Seattle on I-90 if you go west, right? True, but you can also get to San Francisco because the Interstate highway system doesn't limit you to one choice made by one person or group. The system allows for choices. You can go where you want or need to go. Taxes pay for the things people need. Not all people actually need all things, but all people pay a share of all needs. If you buy an insurance policy, you are sharing risk with others. When you pay taxes, you are sharing costs with others. Sure, there's a difference - you can choose to buy insurance or not. If you don't... "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 9, 2008 4:23 AM:

" Get into your car and drive to I-90. Decide if you want to go east or west, and go. If you choose to go east, you can drive all the way into Manhattan, New York City, without being stopped by a single traffic light (except when you exit the Interstate highway for gas and such). If you choose to go west, you can reach San Francisco without being stopped by a single traffic light. As you drive, look at everything that makes up this incredible system - the road surface, the shoulders, the signs, the lighting, the guardrails, the labor to build and maintain it, the law enforcement to keep you safe - everything. Do you appreciate being able to drive all over America easily and efficiently? Taxes pay for it. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:49 PM:

" Your ignorance and bullish attitude are quite tiresome. I simply state that it's about much more than taxes, and you are so obtuse as to continue an argument, based only upon taxes. As though I am one of the jobless, lazy, pocket-picking sort that you are so entirely afraid of. In addition, you decide that you know me well enough to think that I believe that your money should be taken and shared. Simpleton, let me reiterate. It's about much more than taxes. This country is about much more than taxes. LIFE is about much more than taxes. A selfish sort like yourself cannot see beyond your own wallet. How pitiful. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:46 PM:

" (cont. from previous) How foolish of me to recognize that taxes are the government's way of raising money. How foolish to care about improving education, infrastructure and all of these things; and, how foolish to understand that sometimes, taxes need to be raised in order to do this. Yes, how naive and foolish of me. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:45 PM:

" Thank god none of you are running the show. If you were, nothing would be done about the war. No changes would be made in international relations. Health care would continue to be an albatross. Education would continue to scrounge for financial support while you whine about where your "hard earned money" goes to. Social Security's issues would never be solved. Abortion, infrastructure, race relations, immigration, trade agreements, oil prices, unemployment, defense, the housing market and economic oversight would all be neglected. Because you only care about taxes. How foolish of me to be a person who cares about all relevant issues. How foolish of me to realize that there are so many programs in this nation in need of repair (many because of the billions upon billions spent in other areas). (cont.) "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:52 PM:

" Charltan, spoken EXACTLY like someone on the recieving end of my hard earned dollars. Why don't YOU pay my bills if it's not all about money? Let me take alomost 40% of your income..then tell me it's not all about money...again Charltan, pay some of my bills with your money if it truly "isntall about money"..How about it? Can I confiscate some of your money for my betterment? Would that bother you? Why dont you work harder so I can take an even greater % ? Would that bother you? Come on Charltan, why don't on some of my bills? Really, it's not about money with you, it wouldnt bother you would it? "

charlatan wrote on Nov 7, 2008 3:46 PM:

" Again, you don't get it. All you care about is money and taxes and keeping "whats yours"...which is not at all what I'm talking about. I care about much more than one or two issues. "

E.Cartman wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:39 AM:

" AAHHH HA Ha..Charlatan drank the Koolaid. Am I selfish for wanting to keep what's mine? There will always be haves and have nots.Those who have, have worked for it. Perhaps we can begin distributing out of your hand woven hemp wallet. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Simon, you debate like a child. E. Cartman...I'm entirely tired of this argument. Poor lending practices, corrupt organizations and lackluster oversight did not manifest itself in 4 years. The economic condition is the culmination of years and years of these things, shared by both parties. Conservatives keep pointing that finger (the Dems have had Congress). Bunch of bull. The Conservatives also continually pound on the "higher taxes" drum when debating Obama vs. McCain. It's all you care about. Nevermind the laundry list of problems we have had for several years now. It all comes down to taxes for your lot. Think only of your own wallet, screw everything else. What arrogance and selfishness. "

Troller wrote on Nov 7, 2008 8:18 AM:

" The purpose of investing is to make money. I predicted and cashed in on the market drop the day after the election. So, while I am not an Obama supporter, his historic win didn't bother me in the least. He's already suggested a couple things I completely agree with. I wish him great luck and God speed, for now HE will be dealing with the nuts on the liberal left. They are steeped in hate and anger. Those liberal ideologies are still intact. As for the rock, shameful! But let's not suppose it was a saddened Republican. It may have been an Obama supporter "redistributing" rocks from buildings which had too many to a buildings which had to few. God bless America! "

simon wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:58 PM:

" nothing short of ridiculous, childish and even criminal. Simon...what are you talking about? I am not hearing gloating by the "winning"

Who said gloat?
I said be nice. twice.
I did not call anybody names, You did.
Mirror, mirror on the wall......... "

E.Cartman wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Boo-Hoo.."Ruined our country"?? Don't forget the Dem's have had senate majority for the last four years. When did the economy start slumping? Blame Bush all you want, but looks to me like there is a shared responsibility. "

Ej_2523 wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM:

" I just would like to say being from that area, it just makes me sad that anyone would do what they did. It's the wrong attention. People's attitudes need to change, the country voted, now it's time to back the new president as we backed one for eight years who ruined our nation. "

charlatan wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:58 PM:

" It is too simple to say "well if the Dems had lost, they would have done this." Doesn't matter, it's all speculation. The point is that the election is over, it should be respected. I would hope that conservatives and anyone who voted for McCain would see this behavior as nothing short of ridiculous, childish and even criminal. Simon...what are you talking about? I am not hearing gloating by the "winning" side. Fact of the matter is, these are the things that I have seen from the far right: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=661723. What is the worst you could expect out of the far left? Chaining oneself to a tree to stop it from being cut down? A spade is a spade and racism/ignorance/violence that we have seen exhibited in this race, has come from the far right. "

simon wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:47 PM:

" How do any of you "know" who did it? And how do you know his or her motivation or party affiliation? Can you say with 100% accuracy that it is not a Democrat? Those darn details. "

The Donald wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:39 PM:

" Darn straight, Dodger! If McPalin won, we'd have torched every town and hamlet from sea to shining sea, and Wasilla too. So, what's your point? "

Dodger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:12 PM:

" Agreed, this instance is both pathetic and sad. However, had McCain somehow won, the reaction of the libs across the country would have been nothing short of riotous. Obama won, and he won huge. Let's move on. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:27 AM:

" During Sen. McCain's concession speech on Tuesday evening, a fair number of people in the crowd booed when he mentioned Sen. Obama's apparent victory. Later, when Sen. Obama spoke as the apparent President-elect, people in the Chicago crowd applauded at Mr. Obama's mention of Sen. McCain's hard-fought campaign. I can understand the frustration Republicans feel, but the noticeable differences in crowd reaction made me proud to be a Democrat. Sen. McCain did indeed campaign tirelessly, but when he saw that victory was not to be his, he bowed out with grace and dignity. I respect him for that. "

Travis wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:38 AM:

" As someone who volunteers at and loves all those who are a part of the Winona County DFL, I wish to convey my great sympathies. The person who selfishly took their frustrations out on the headquarters is nothing but a coward. Acts of violence such as this shows immaturity of this individual(s).
To the individual(s),
Grow up! People like you show what is wrong with this country. The election is historic for every person in America regardless of your party affiliation or political beliefs. You have every right to be disappointed, but so did the DFL during the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections. Please grow up and set an example for others. "

The Ultimate Hustler wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:22 AM:

" But on the bright side the rocks did contain about 500 ballots voting for Al Frankin "

grim reaper wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:46 AM:

" Aren’t we touchy today, sore losers is tame compared to if the outcome was reversed. How about “disappointed voters”. I guess someone watched South Park last night. Oh, and I did not vote for Obama so do not jump to conclusions. "

Hot Rod Otis wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Well how else am I supposed to get my Obama yard sign at such a late hour? "

simon wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Winning also requires a level of respect, class and dignity. Show us you can win with the same dignity that you demand from the "losers"
Your words/deeds cast you as the real loser. "

El Uno wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:05 AM:

" Has anyone called Ted Hazelton to help solve the case? Maybe take the words "rock" and "window" and mix around the letters to come up with the vandals real identity... "

bartski wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:03 AM:

" I truly hope this was kids because if an "adult" actually set the alarm and rose at 1:30 to do something like this then it tells me that campaigns can instill this kind of ignorance in people. When you start slinging words around like "socialist," "marxist," and "terrorist" you are courting this kind of behavior. Most normal creatures are getting back to their daily routines and accepting the outcome of the election, The people have voted...deal with it. "

Libby wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:59 AM:

" Shame on you.... "

grim reaper wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:56 AM:

" Sore losers, get over it. Just say yes we can.... "

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