xfs-123 wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:54 AM:
" Really? - It would be nice to know how many patents have been bought up by the car manufacturers just so they never go to market. And, again, you are right about the oil companies. They are the whores of our country. With the windfall profits that congress doesn't know how to deal with, where is the exploration and development they are supposed to be using that blood money for? "
xfs-123 wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:49 AM:
" El Uno - Trains, aircraft, autos and trucks are all getting more efficient. My stuff runs good and I just sold my boat as an unneeded fuel expense. I am not willing to give up more.
I will not drive a vehicle that is not much bigger than my John Deere garden tractor. I will keep my house warm in the winter and cool and dry during the summer.
I will not turn off my oxygen concentrators that I use to provide me with oxygen when I sleep or need it during the day.
Now it's time for us to become less dependent on OPEC countries who have no food for their people but their sheiks live in a world of luxury beyond your imagination at the expense of the rest of the world. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:38 AM:
" El Uno - I do not have the facts regarding how much of our oil consumption would be provided by local drilling but I think I read about 25%. That is probably a total figure including what we already do.
Don't you think I agree with you regarding those pristine areas? I have already said that I was an officer in a wildlife organization (VP & Pres) and I was livid every time someone would mention drilling in these areas. That was before this crisis which is not getting better. We are at the top of the food chain is all I can say.
When we start producing a higher percentage of our own fuel, we are telling OPEC to kiss our butts and that is what is needed to help reduce their prices. "
really? wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:07 PM:
" Cars and their engines require maintenance, repair, replacement parts, and oil. The upkeep is big business. Without auto repair dealers would go broke. Electric cars don't use oil and don't have the wear-and-tear a gas burning car does. Don't kid yourself; car companies have a lot to lose by switching to clean cars. Cars that require no maintenance mean lost revenue.
I know Ive said it a hundred times, but if you havent seen the movie Who killed the electric car, rent it. "
Reasonable wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Everyone always claims that auto manufacturers are holding back new technologies for fuel efficiency and alternative fuels. Can someone explain this to me? What would they have to gain? It seems to me that if Ford could produce an F250 that got 200 MPG they would out sell their competition 100 to 1. There just doesnt seem to be a financial reason to Block new technologies as the conspiracy theorists always claim. The financial gains offset any protecting their friends in big oil claim you can come up with. The oil companies..thats another story..but I dont see it for auto manufacturers who are really hurting right now. I think Really? is way off base here. I dont think the technology or the infrastructure is ready for this to be financially viable in America.Yet, but it will be eventually. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 28, 2008 3:03 PM:
" Also, these national parks are suppose to be kept as untouched by human existence as feasibly possible; so when you throw an oil pump in the middle of it I realize the Earth around it doesn't melt, but the integrity and natural beauty is definitely compromised. I feel a little bad that I had to explain that... "
El Uno wrote on Jun 28, 2008 2:56 PM:
" cewoodford - i re-read my post and still do not see where I accused you of saying those things.
xfs-123 & cewoodford - I have an actual question for you (looking for an unbias answer) What percentage of our current consumption would come from drilling in the US. REALISTICALLY are we talking about 8-12%? Wouldn't it be easier/cost effective to just cut back national consumption whatever that % is? I realize not everyone could do it but for every person who could only cut back 5% I imagine there is someone who is cutting back 20%. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 27, 2008 10:30 PM:
" Why is diesel more costly than gasoline? Do you buy bio diesel at a gas station or hamburger stand with it's own refinery? Can you show me an engine that matches the parameters we are discussing that will haul a semi trailer, bus, airplane, fire truck! Can you show be a battery operated car towing a battery operated boat that will get up on plane? These things are not in production. Will we find solutions from the car companies or the gas companies? A Prius still has a gas engine and limited power for a lot of jobs. Our current needs are not being met so our own serious oil production needs to finally be started while we work on these solutions. We'll be pumping oil from those new wells before real solutions are found! "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 27, 2008 10:13 PM:
" Really? You are 100% right. I was just reading some material on electric cars, their problems and development. It is the car companies and that is why you won't see cars like this until long after gas prices have put the entire country at risk. Japan's new car has no refueling possibilities or sales here in America. They just realized this and will not attempt serious sales in America. Until electrics are designed and sold on a practical level and with power and driving distance, their sales are not what the vast market in America is looking for. "
really? wrote on Jun 27, 2008 7:49 PM:
" How many cars do most families have? It would make sense to have one for everyday short trips (electric) and something else for hauling or long trips. The truth is, the technology is already here for electric cars, but GM destroyed their entire fleet. The battery power is already available also. THEY want us to believe that they are working on viable alternatives, when in fact they are just stalling. The car companies have much to lose on cars that do not run on oil and obviously, so do the oil companies. I can't believe you all believe the crap you are fed. Look for the truth! "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 27, 2008 6:10 PM:
" El Uno-I have no trouble following any LOGICAL commentary...write some and I will follow it. Childish name calling is your forte, not global politics, pollution or energy. I suspect it's either your age, IQ or politics that leave you unable to understand the importance of us being part of the world of oil producers, or do you enjoy OPEC's rules and games. You never seem to answer that question regardless of who asks it. Give it up, you are not gaining any headway here. Drill now to survive economically or forever be under OPEC and the speculators. Start reading other sources instead of just this forum. It will do you good my friend. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 2:34 PM:
" How exactly do you figure these lands are destroyed when we tap them? Do you think the parks collapse into the great abyss? There's oil sprayed everywhere? Seriously, google some info on what your posting/protesting before you post. It really gets tedious responding to baseless points. Also, there hasnt been an environmental accident in the Gulf of Mexico since the 1960's...that would include hurricane Katrina as well....so go ahead, tell us how scary and dangerous this is to the environment, preach the appocalypse for mother nature...blah blah blah blah blah, all baseless scare tacticts... "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 2:29 PM:
" see your 10:45 am post. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:44 PM:
" P.S. Analogies are not welcome on this board, "xfs-123" has problems following them. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:38 PM:
" At what point did I say that you said those things? Those were my that you claim were grasps.... Oil refineries produce huge amounts of pollution, so I would like to see fewer instead of more. Oil is non-renewable so if we "solve" the problem by simply drilling for more and instead of REDUCING not ELIMNATING consumption than we will be right back here in 10 years w/ our national parks and protected lands destroyed...Which leads me to #3, when these areas are used for drilling they are gone forever and can never fully return; and all because humans (who have risen to the top of the food chain via their ability to adapt) could not find the strength to change. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 10:50 AM:
" At what point did I say refineries dont produce pollution? At what point did I say oil was a renewable resource? Using your logic, we should eliminate all cattle herds worldwide, they produce TONS of pollution through methane gas. Have a good weeekend El Uno. Thanks for amusing me these past few days once again. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 27, 2008 10:45 AM:
" cewoodford - grasping at straws? Please indicate which of these statements are false. Oil refineries produce pollution. Oil is a non-renewable energy source, so at some point we will need to limit consumption. Once you start drilling you can never get back the eco-system that you displaced. Plus I never called you "pooh face"..... "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:45 AM:
" Btw, the second we decide to make tapping our own natural resources acceptable practice we will see the price of oil plummet. All these high prices are based on speculative markets. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:42 AM:
" Another quick question, If Col. Stan wrote this article and prefaced it with sexist name calling of an elected female representative would the outrage be as quiet? I guess if you're a female liberal sexist insults against a "conservative" female is allowed. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:38 AM:
" I may be a "pooh face" El Uno, but I am dead on correct and you're grasping at straws. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:26 AM:
" xfswoodford is a pooh face! "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 26, 2008 10:38 PM:
" really? - you are part right. I think it may be a long time before you see an electric car capable of making a cross country trip without many long stops for recharging. And you must have cars that will carry up to 6 people with luggage on some trips. Alternate fuels must also be available all across the country to make anything else viable too. I think cars like the Prius make sense but they are not too big. Not everyone is willing to ride in a small car for even a few hours. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 26, 2008 10:23 PM:
" editorintraining - that is what I said about 55 posts ago! ha! That is the whole solution. Nobody is going to sell their car now but when they come up with a car than go for more 300 miles and fuel for these care is readily available across the country, not much chance of any other than a Prius or something like that doing the job. But those cars have no towing power. Ya still need a truck or SUV with power. I don't wand a windmill in my yard but solar or methane are viable alternatives for some home power. But once again, a home built for solar is better than existing homes. Methane is more usable in town where they can pipe it too. "
editorintraining wrote on Jun 26, 2008 9:44 AM:
" Why can't we agree that both "sides" of this debate are correct? We need to develop VIABLE alternatives to oil. But, when could this become reality? Alternative ideas have been around for decades, but are not viable alternatives right now. I personally don't care what the alternative to oil would be. Make them run on electricity, wind, trash, etc. Make cars run on dried spit, I don't care. The left says that if we drill now, we can't be energy independent for years. Who cares? Isn't that the light at the end of the OPEC tunnel? I'd rather pay $4 per gallon gas for a few years than for the rest of my days.
DRILL NOW!!! But find the alternative as well. "
really? wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 PM:
" While reducing consumption will make a small ripple, the only way to make an impact is to eliminate the need for gas. We must look to electric cars as the answer to the oil crisis. I drive a car that gets 30 miles per gallon and I'm happy and safe in my little Volvo. My electricity is 100% wind power. We can all do our part, but we'll never get out of this mess until we give up the idea of running cars on gas/oil. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:26 PM:
" El Uno - FYI, although I seldom disagree with cewoodford, we are not the same person. From reading cewoodford's comments, I would venture a guess and say he/she is much higher on the financial totem pole than I am. My boat did not have a/c! ha! Nor was it big enough to have one installed! ha! Cewoodford is right on the money in all comments posted in this thread and in most threads.
But I do wonder why you and LAX resort to calling names and making assumptions so much when posting comments in a public forum. It greatly diminishes anything you have to say. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 25, 2008 8:13 PM:
" My comments ares to show that we all have a life style that we do not have to alter very much. I will lose my boat because of high gas prices. But after almost 40 years on the river, that is OK. However, I am not willing to keep my house warm and sticky during the summer nor drive a POS little car after working all of these years and finally getting to enjoy some room and comfort in a vehicle. And when I need to haul something, the vehicle that does it for my friends with POS little cars is in my garage anytime I need it. I will not make any excuse for how I live when we have people stopping us from being less dependent on OPEC. And watch OPEC prices drop when our reliance on them is lessened too. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:56 PM:
" As an officer in a wildlife organization some years ago, I realized that wildlife adapts to its needs. Examine what wildlife has done when we built our cities and sprawled into the country side after building them. Yes, we edge them out but not to extinction. So I am not concerned with the bears finding a new place to breed and live, nor with migratory birds or aquatic creatures, they go where the food is, the prime purpose of their migrations.
And we already have drilling rigs off of our shores without incident, unlike ships bringing in oil and spilling their contents and permanently ruining habitat and livelihoods.
The argument against drilling for our own oil just does not make sense any longer. I wish I had realized this 10 years ago. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:41 PM:
" My SUV was driven 3000 miles last year and most of that was carrying 6 people or more with luggage. My car gets 26mph according the on-board computer and it is a Cadillac, not a Geo. My old pick-up truck is used to plow snow for me and my neighbors. My boat is up for sale because I can't afford the $250+ round trip gas bill to go to Red Wing and back anymore. My house has been at 65 for 35+ years during the winter, but we also cool and dehumidify our home quite a bit because of our health situations and I won't buy any Gore credits to do it! So now it's time for us to drill for the oil that I was against drilling for 10 years ago. I was wrong back then as El Uno is wrong now. "
Reasonable wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM:
" I agree, 62 degrees is certainly manageable, and probably not a bad idea. But my point is that even if everyone conserved as much as possible we would never be able to be energy independent unless we increase domestic production as well. Not just oil, but clean coal, nuclear, renewable energy, all of it. Lets offer some incentives to people who can come up with new technologies. My biggest complaint is that we cant get both parties to agree on anything. One side only wants to conserve, and the other just wants to increase production. It seems pretty logical to me that we need both. On another note, who actually believes that if we raise taxes on oil companies they arent going to just pass that cost on to the consumer? Do we think they will really just eat that cost? "
El Uno wrote on Jun 25, 2008 4:18 PM:
" Think of the engery the state of MN alone would save if each resident set their thermostats at 62 degrees this winter and threw on a sweatshirt, I bet the number would be staggering. Obviously, this would be less than ideal for us, but come one, were we really meant to be walking around our homes without shirts on during sub zero weather? If we start drilling domestically for oil all we are going to do is put off this need to reduce consumption for a few more years, then we're right back where we started. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 25, 2008 4:13 PM:
" Reasonable - the whole point that I started arguing was xfs's claim that our current level of consumption is necessary for survival. I have no sympathy for people who complain that energy costs are devastating the bank account, but have taken absolutely no steps to curb their consumption. The lack of social responsibility some of the talk backers have shown is mind blowing.... I realize everyone is free to do whatever harm they want on the environment, what I don't understand is why they would want to. "
Reasonable wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:04 PM:
" Of course the real irony of all of this is that every time there is unrest in the Middle East the speculators drive up the cost of a barrel a little more. Who makes more money when that happens! ? The sheiks do! If I was Ahmadinejad I would be laughing my tail off! In the mean time all we can do is argue over whether we are better of increasing our own energy production or cutting demand.. "
Reasonable wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:01 PM:
" As for the cost of oil, most analysts now agree that supply and demand doesnt have as much to do with it as speculators and traders do. Before deregulation in 1999 you had to either be an oil company or a large oil consumer (like airlines) to hold large quantities of oil. Now all that has changed and the large investment bankers are basically setting the price of a barrel of oil through speculation. You wont hear me argue that the government should step in and regulate free trade very often, but this artificial price setting has gotten ridiculous! There was an analyst panel on CSPAN last night and they claim oil would be around $70 per barrel if you took speculation out of the picture! "
Reasonable wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:51 PM:
" It seems to me that we need a lot of both of these solutions. We need to start using our domestic resources, work harder on developing new sources of energy, and work harder on conservation. No amount on conservation will solve the problem because this is a very vast country with many needs. CE is right, not everyone can drive a little hybrid. We will always need to heat our homes, even if only to 60 degrees. The left always argues that it will take 10 years to get anything out of new oil wells & refineries. The problem is that they have been arguing that for 10 years. Then they say that these new wells will have little effect on overall oil needs. Lowering my thermostat 2 degrees doesnt help much either by itself. "
leone w wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:10 PM:
" I could care less about the oil discsussion- I agree with cewoodford about the girl/bimbo issue and that it was printed. Jerome needs to get his head out of the dark ages in Papa John's kitchen and realize while her idea isn't the smartest she there and he's not. "
Joe Winona wrote on Jun 25, 2008 5:38 AM:
" This whole discourse proves that the Libs, and the radical lobbists who they are beholden to, are more than happy to see our country handicapped monitarialy wise. Keep the populous on the racks, and hold us hostage...."Change" is a very interesting 'Catch Phrase': Change is what you are going to have left to promote your life when Jerome and his ilk get a shot at your paycheck....(PAYCHECK being the operative word): The kind of "Change" that jingles in your pocket when you walk down the street.
Jerome is Winona's version of "Chicken Little", and hardly worth getting too upset over.... "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:55 AM:
" May I go now cewoodford aka xfs-123? Or do you have some other Democrat you want to blame this on? "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:49 AM:
" It's not the accidents at the refineries that bothers me, it's the effect their day-to-day have on the eco-system..... "I bought some carbon offsets/credits so I can do ANYTHING I want to the environment" nice cewoodford, you sure are a class act.... "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:45 AM:
" I think I've said 3 or 4 times why drilling for more oil is not the answer, please re-read my posts. Anwar - "But even at peak production, the EIA analysis said, the United States would still have to import two-thirds of its oil, as opposed to an expected 70 percent if the refuges oil remained off the market....The coastal plain, which includes calving areas for caribou, is home to polar bears and other wildlife, as well as being a stopover for an annual migration of millions of birds." "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Have a good day El Uno, You've proven nothing. Our consumption rates wont and cant stop until ALOT of things happen, population control would be a big one. Take care, enjoy your bliss. And if you ever ask what planet I am from like you did two weeks ago, I'm from planet REALITY El Uno. Enjoy your bliss. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:20 AM:
" You mean you have better things to do than get another mental beatdown from a stupid conservative today. You've really chosen to NOT address my points..no problemo El Uno, silence is now probably your best option. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:18 AM:
" What El Uno? Okay, adress ANWAR tapping which will have no negative imapct. Address Dems requiring rinieries to be nationalized. Adress Dems not wanting oil rigs in the gulf wevn though we've had NO accidents since the 60's. Who the hell do you think you're tryin to spin here El Uno? I asked you those questions LONG ago in this arguement and you ignored them. There's the fatc buddy, step up and take a swing if you can, I STILL am eagerly awaiting any rebuttal from you. Gore? please, dont even waste my time with that Lear Jet flying, multiple mansion living, SUV convoy driving "environmentalist". BTW, El Uno, I bought some carbon offsets/credits so I can do ANYTHING I want to the environment, just like Algore and his hollywood boys. Now get to rebutting my points or be quiet and admit your defeat. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:15 AM:
" Here is my point because I really have better thing to do today - the solution to solving this crisis is NOT to find more oil; it's to take steps to decrease our independence on it. Drilling for oil will simply buy us a few years until our consumption rises too high for supply and we're right back where we started. We SHOULD NOT be looking towards the government as this problem starts in our homes. We can fix this if everyone will just take some personal responsibility. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:13 AM:
" Well El Uno, we can agree on one thing, Jeromes about females was COMPLETELY unacceptable and he owes EVERY FEMALE READER an appology, which in my opinion, should be printed in the WDN. Again, calling an elected female official a "girl" and referring to policies that comeoout of her district as "Bimbo politics" is COMPLETELY unprofessional and speaks volumes to the jornalistic integrity of the Winona Daily News. Not liking someones politics is one thing, calling them a "Bimbo" and reffering to a grown female professional as a "girl" is despicable journalism and should have no place on the pages of the WDN no matter what her political or professional affiliations. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:08 AM:
" ceewoodford - if you want to discuss energy then lets do it. If you want to go off on tangents to distract from the fact that you haven't made a single argument other than "bimbo" then you're free to do that too. I suppose if I respond to your Pelosi stuff you'll move onto Gore, then onto Clinton. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:04 AM:
" So even though these actions you CHOOSE to take will have a negative impact on YOUR society you still continue to do them..... is that about what it amounts too? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:00 AM:
" El Uno, I'm getting the vibe that you are conceding to the fact that the Democrat led Congress in Washington have in fact done NOTHING since they came into power on '06. Honestly, I'm as shocked as you are that they havent gotten anyhting done sionce they DO have the power to overide any Republican shennanigans. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:58 AM:
" Yeah..I remember hearing that "wave of change" crapola back in 2006...now its happening in 2009? No, we shouldnt pull out of Iraq, I'm only pointing out that YOUR elected Dems, who RANon that promise, completely LIED TO YOU and kept funding the very war they swore they would end in a "wave of change ushered in by a Democrat ran Congress". Where's Nancy Pelosi today? You dont see her screaming about the war on national soundbites anymore do you? Wonder why that is... "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Great El Uno, my point is, when you missed your Dem meetings you didnt miss ANYTHING because they had no new plan to eleviate the economic prioblems vreated by oil price increases. They only had the old standby solution " raise taxes". I undertsand your concern for the environment and I FULLY respect and agree with that, I just dont see tapping anwar or putting more oil rigs in the gulf or building more refineries as a bad thing. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:53 AM:
" The new day for America - January 20th, 2009. Did you really just criticize Democrats for not pullin gout of Iraq..... did that really just happen???? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:51 AM:
" Show me where I complained about the costs of my vehicles El Uno..I like them so much I bought TWO. I do keep my A/C at 68 and my boats A/C runs constantly when I'm not there(shore power). I have EVERY RIGHT to complain about energy costs because it effects THE ECONOMY, Sincerely, I could care less if gas goes to $8.00 a gallon, it's going to have very little effect on my disposable income. It is however going to have an effect on almost every aspect of our society. Again El Uno, read my posts before posting. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:50 AM:
" I don't agree with Jerome using that word but to ignore the rest of the article and the points it makes is also a bad move. As for the "Democrats" plan, I have no idea as I guess I missed the last meeting when we went over that. I can tell you the logical idea would be to stop consuming as much oil and then you wouldn't have to produce any more.... "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM:
" BTW, El Uno, I'm not asking for ANY help from my government other than to do what is LOGICAL and use our own resources. My paystubs will show you that I provide PLENTY of MY hard earned dollars to social programs I or my son will never benefit one iota from. I dont have a problem contributing to these programs IF we ALL contributed the EXACT SAME % of our incomes...because that is what would be FAIR and FAIR is what you liberals are all about...until it come time to tap into your paychecks... "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM:
" Secondly, if your families safety is so priceless to you, THEN QUIT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE COST OF KEEPING THEM SAFE! If you want to drive an SUV, then drive an SUV... but don't come on here complaining about your expenses from driving an SUV/truck. If you want you house to be 68 degrees in the middle of summer, that's your choice, but understand you will have a whopper of a bill come the fall. Drilling for more oil should be the last solution, not the first. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:41 AM:
" What have your "2006 Wave of Change" Pelosi led Demcorats done for you? Maek a list for us. Where is the wave of change? What have they done? They RULE congress, they could have pulled us out of Iraq almost 2 years ago but they CHOSE not to. What have they done sine '06? Where is the wave of change? Where is the new day for America? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:38 AM:
" El Uno, tell me how the Democrats answer to the gas prices, the Windfall Profits Tax Program will help you or your family? How will that program produce opbne more Jule of energy or barrel of oil? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM:
" El Uno, you could start by telling us how it is okay to address an elected female official as a bimbo or a girl..care to start there? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:36 AM:
" El Uno...blah blah blah. Care to address my points? Come on buddy, step up and address them for us here. I have some free time to give you a nice eductaion today buddy. Step up. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Every FEMALE who reads this article, whether you're a Liberal, a Conservative or a Martian, should be DEEPLY offended by the tone in which the author refers to an elected FEMALE official. Calling a politician your disagree with a "bimbo" or a "girl" is completely unacceptable. This article is a good barometer of the journalistic integrity( or apparent lack there of)and complete partisan bias which clouds almost every story printed in the WDN. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:35 AM:
" cewoodford - all I hear is LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL WAH WAH WAH. You hate social programs, because why should the less fortunate get any help, but then come on here and stomp your feet demanding the government helps you; EVEN THOUGH you could easily help yourselves. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:06 AM:
" Also El UNO, some of us have occupations that REQUIRE us to drive heavy duty vehicles. A Prius or a GEO simply wont do it, nor would I feel safe having my 3yr old or myself traveling on freeways in a tin can so I can save a few bucks...my families safety is worth alot more to me than yours and Jeromes apparently. I have a new 3/4ton Chev truck that goes from 8 to 4 cyls when at highway speed so I feel I'm doing my part there(It qualifies me to park in the "Hybrid-only" parking at my local Ikea)and I puchased a Toyota Tundra which amazingly gets 20.3mpg on the highway. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:00 AM:
" ahhh, El Uno, I just loved reading your "logic" with xfs. I was just waiting and waiting for it to happen, and just like "Old Faithful" it did. You LOST your arguement so you reverted to name calling...so predictable..you and LAX are like two peas in a pod brother. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Jerome, you owe EVERY female reader( actually every female period) and appology for printing this chauvinist crap. How this ever got through your editorial process is beyond me. I could care less if you hate everything conservative( even if it does make sense), calling ANYONE a bimbo or condescendingly referring to a female elected official as a girl is COMPLETELY unacceptable. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:47 AM:
" "Sorry, I cant help but be amused by the latest bimbo eruption out of the 6th Congressional District" Jerome...where exactly to you get off calling an elected official a bimbo? What the heck kind of editorial procedures and standards are in play at the WDN now? I wouldnt even feel comfortable sending comments like that in an email to some of my friends but it's okay to print this in the WDN? "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:44 AM:
" The only solution the do-nothing Democrats in DC have come up with is a windfall tax program. That's your answer to this...RAISE TAXES...the arrogance and stupidity of the Democrats in D.C. is beyond comprehension. But go ahead...you keep on calling the Republicans stupid and Congresswomen you disagree with as "girls" and "bimbos". Name calling and manipulation of facts from a liberal..wow..that's a shocker.. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Building more refineries is also ANOTHER solution for our oil woes...however, your all knowing Democrats, being the brilliant economists they are, agreed to this on the condition they be NATIONALIZED....yeah...we see how great nationalized entities are, Amtrak and the USPS are great examples of that. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:38 AM:
" Allowing more drilling in the Gulf is another VERY viable solution your Democrats keep holding up due to environmental concerns...even though there's been NO accident on a platform since the 60's..INCLUDING Hurrican Katrina. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:37 AM:
" Getting oil out of shale and sand IS not economically viable Jerome, when oil was at $43 a gallon it made no sense financially, at $140.00+ it DOES (a little fact you chose to leave out of this misogynist trife you somehow got printed). "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:33 AM:
" Tapping ANWAR WILL NOT "destroy the environment". Windfall taxes on energy companies will not produce one extra jule of energy or barrel of oil, it will only give the do-nothing Dem ran congress more of your hard earned dollars to fritter away on social programs. "
cewoodford wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:32 AM:
" Jerome, calling an elected female official a "girl" and referring to her as a "bimbo" do NOTHING to further your arguement. I am offended that the WDN would actually allow you to run personal attacks like that. You owe her an appology AND your female readers. Completely unprofessional journalism. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:18 AM:
" Fuel prices are the reason people are losing jobs....really.....that's what you think..... Has nothing to do with large corporations exporting jobs, ridiculous government spending, a flooded market of upstart companies who are run by people not qualified to tie my shoe? No you're right, that extra 75 cents per gallon will be the fall of the USA. You are right correct that the easy thing to do would be drill for oil here, but how does that syaing go..... the easy way and the right way are rarely the same way. (or something like that) "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 23, 2008 11:13 PM:
" El Uno - I love the name calling and assumptions you libs resort to! READ THE NEWSPAPER MY FRIEND - SEE WHO IS LOSING JOBS ACROSS AMERICA BECAUSE OF FUEL PRICES ALREADY. Enjoy your little vehicle incapable of carrying or towing any real payload or surviving a crash. Enjoy your hot summer home and your cold winter home. Grow your own food because you won't be able to afford groceries soon! When you are retired as I am, your ideas fly out the window when it comes to making ends meet and enjoying any kind of life with comforts. I can also care less about gas prices in Europe. We have our own oil! Only a fool would not want to use it. I am done talking to the wall. Wise up! "
El Uno wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM:
" I didn't know survival meant 72 degree homes, 8 passenger automobiles and strawberries in grocery stores in January. As I said before, Europe is paying something like 2.5 times what we do for gas and I don't remember seeing any big news stories about them being wiped out. You, my friend, are simply a selfish, lazy parasite on the society who would rather destroy the world around him than SLIGHTLY adjust his baby-in-the-womb lifestyle. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:22 AM:
" El Uno - You keep right on thinking that long after you can't afford gas or food or clothes or to heat your home. But you will have saved some bug somewhere and feel good about it. My apology was satirical by the way. I will not apologize for wanting to survive when we have have our own oil and resources that idiots reject tapping into and cause us to remain forever dependent on foreign oil. Get a clue! "
El Uno wrote on Jun 22, 2008 1:23 PM:
" I think you have done much more damage to your argument by telling your true feelings than I ever could have through logical discussion. I'm glad you at least apologized for the damage you knowingly bring to your community and country. Lucky for the rest of us, dinosaurs go exstinct. (P.S. You're the dinosaur) ;) Shine on brotha! *We don't inherit the Earth from our parents we borrow it from our children* "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 22, 2008 12:51 PM:
" El Uno - maybe it's best to say things straight out instead of some contorted fable that nobody is interested in deciphering. Sorry, I want my life style just as it is, I heat and cool my home, I drive my vehicles and I buy goods and services where I want. With rising gas prices, everything we know will start to cost more due to transportation expenses. Sorry about the fish, bears and bugs that do not rate as high on the totem pole as humans do. Drill where we need to and do our best to protect the areas as well. It can be done with all the profits the oil companies in this country are making. Screw OPEC! "
El Uno wrote on Jun 22, 2008 11:36 AM:
" My point about the drugs - since I noticed xfs countered that with "I don't have any drugs addicts in my family". Great response for a hypothetical.... BUt your "solution" to the gas dependency has nothing to with breaking the hold oil has on us and instead finding a short term fix (crack)...at a cheaper cost...that does MORE harm to the environment (your body). Sure renewable energy (rehab) would be expensive initially but the long-term effects are well worth the cost. Hope this is easier for you to follow. "
El Uno wrote on Jun 22, 2008 11:21 AM:
" I think it might be you missing the point. Your solution of destroying our environment to pump out a non-renewable engery source that will in turn harm our planet even more so that you can save a couple hundred bucks a year is all well and good but I choose to look at the bigger picture. Even if it costs a little more now for us to turn the corner and find a cleaner, renewable fuel how would that not be helpful? And Capt, just because you would feel better giving money to the US doesn't mean I want to see oil rigs popping up in my backyard. "
CaptnTony wrote on Jun 20, 2008 3:56 PM:
" And, to support xfs' thought even further, I'd be MUCH more satisfied paying $4/gallon for US oil than to continue paying the arabs more so they can build (snow)ski slopes in the desert. I think El Uno's missed the entire point. It's about the dependancy on foreign oil, not that we are consuming it (the free market will dictate it's price no matter the source). If we have the oil in North America and we have the technology to get at it (safely and as cleanly as mandated by the gov'ts involved) I say we should go for it. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 20, 2008 3:37 PM:
" El Uno, your ignorance is showing again. First off, no one in my family remotely has an issue with drugs, how about yours? And secondly, we can do something about high oil prices if the idiots that stop us from tapping into our own resources would wise up. I pay the price for fuel but don't like it...do you? We have our own oil, let's use it and all other the other forms of energy that are waiting to be tapped. If we had done this years ago, we would not be where we are now. Ya want to argue that point? Maybe you like being bent over a barrel of OPEC oil waiting for some fat cat sheik to pump it to you, but I don't! "
El Uno wrote on Jun 19, 2008 1:11 PM:
" "I don't want to drive a Geo or not run my a/c to save a buck" THEN DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GAS PRICES! When will you wake up and see that the problem is not the price of oil, it's our dependence on oil. Europe has had to deal with gas prices that are double what we are currently paying. I'm guessing if xfs had a coke addict in his family his solution would be to switch them to crack since it's cheaper... "
rawhide wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:35 PM:
" Congress the federal judiciary is to blame for our current woes due their alliance and compliance with radical environmental groups. Like all leftists, Jerome attacks Bachman personally with name calling instead of focusing on solutions...shale oil is only a part of the fix. Unfortunately, congress no longer represents you and I, but a small group of lobbyists that finance their never-ending campaigns. It is true that drilling everywhere, new refineries, nuclear and coal power will not help us today, or next year, but we will all be pleasantly surprised by how quickly things will happen because of technology. It may also indirectly lower prices as the rest of the world will finally see we are going to use our own massive supply instead of buying it from them. "
editorintraining wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:08 PM:
" It is true the Dems won't allow us to get the oil under our feet with their majority in Congress. At least not til the election is over. Nice to see they don't care that we are paying $4 per gallon gas. If Barack wins, we'll see how fast they try to convince us that we should go after that oil, thus being the true deliverer of energy independence. Hypocrits. "
xfs-123 wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:53 AM:
" It's all a matter of priorities. Do we want to use the oil we have or remain dependent on OPEC? I don't want to drive a Geo or not run my a/c to save a buck. When the price of everything skyrockets due to the cost of fuel, we are not doing what we need to do. It's about time we start the process for capturing the oil we have on our own soil and off our shores. "
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