cewoodford wrote on May 19, 2008 6:13 PM:
" Oh, and by the way Jack, another reason I wholeheartedly DONT BELIEVE YOURE A FARMER...Corn is currently trading at $5.50 a bushell today. May futures were trading last month at $6.03... you keep pleading poverty at $4.oo...wow...facts...they sure can screw up your premise sometimes can't the Jack? You have a good day "farming" or whatever it is you actually do. "
cewoodford wrote on May 19, 2008 6:02 PM:
" uhhh...yeah Jack, I guess if you call hard points on the utter stupidity of the Ethanol industry and its economic impact on the consumer stupid...you sit here and tell us Corn hasnt gone up much in ten years when currently prices over the past two years have been at historical highs due to ethanol mandates requiring corn to be purchased( and subsidized by the govt at the sme time)..and my points are stupid? Hmmm..I guess you're just too smart for this stupid consumer. If you are in fact a farmer..well then you just keep on enjoying that welfare buddy. And that new farm bill loaded with new welfare for you...enjoy that as well, I just love having to subsidize entire industry. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 19, 2008 12:01 PM:
" I have read your posts, and have posted my comments on the stupidity of them.
And thank you, I will have a nice day, while I finish planting our corn crop on a beautiful day like today.
I know you don't believe that I run a farm. So I tell you what, drive down the roughest paved road in the county (no, not 61), and you'll drive right past my farm. It'll be the one with the red cattle with white belts, hard to miss. "
cewoodford wrote on May 19, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Jack, please see my preceding posts. Have a good day. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 17, 2008 4:07 PM:
" As a matter of fact, my family and I run a farm south of Winona.
Rhe price of corn has averaged around 4 dollars per bushel for the past decade. It has spikes, just like any other crop, but it still averages out at 4 dollars per bushel. "
cewoodford wrote on May 17, 2008 3:10 PM:
" "Ethanol has not raised corn prices, and hasn't raised feed prices either" That Jack, is the most insane and uneducated comment you have made. I DO NOT FOR ONE MINUTE believe you are in the AG industry. The above comment alone proves that. Also sir, PLEASE stop trying to tell me the difference between feed corn. I am WELL AWARE of the differences, you are only talking in circles. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 16, 2008 10:34 PM:
" Yes, I AM in the Ag industry, but I do not profit from ethanol by any means. My entire crop of corn is used to feed my livestock. Anything we do sell is sold for the same price that it has been sold at for the past decade. Ethanol has not raised corn prices, and hasn't raised feed prices either. It seems to be YOU that is the dense one, as you obviously don't understand that ethanol takes nothing away from the crop that livestock use. What is not used in the production of ethanol is used for livestock feed, with higher value to the farmer than straight field corn because it is easier for the animal to digest without their bodies having to get through the kernel to the nutrients in the corn. "
cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 10:38 AM:
" and Jack, feed corn or sweetcorn...it doesnt matter, fields used for the production of other grains/food as well as non-feed corn are now being used to fuel the ethanol scam.. "
cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 10:32 AM:
" You mean that quote from a University of Minnesota professor Jack? That Quote? uhhh....yeah... I do agree with you on some things, tap Anwar and drill off the Keys, but that's not the point. The point is/was ETHANOL is causing the cost of your food to go up. Point the finger at big oil all day Jack, I hate them too, but, they didnt do this to the U.S. consumer, our elected officials,with some persuasion from ArcherDanielsMidland have done this to us. Its a large scale scam that hits every one of us every day. That fact that you keep denying it tells me you are either in the AG industry and profiting from this or you are incredibly dense. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 16, 2008 10:04 AM:
" "requires more than 450 pounds of corn -- roughly enough calories to feed one person for a year"
Based on that comment alone, I can see that you have no clue what you are talking about. The corn that ethanol is made from is FIELD CORN. Humans don't eat this corn! All field corn is used for is livestock feed and ethanol production, that is it.
And instead of trying to get Iraqi oil, why don't we use our own oil?! Drill off the coast of Florida, drill in Alaska, and we'll be paying about a dollar per gallon again, if that! "
cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 9:36 AM:
" Competition for grain between ethanol plants and pork, beef and chicken producers has nearly doubled corn prices in the past two years.An Iowa State University study concluded that ethanol has cost Americans an additional $14 billion in higher food prices. But Mexicans, many of whose diet is still 40 percent dependent on corn tortillas, have been rioting--or going hungry. So, that being said, I completely fail to see how this is the fault of the price of oil. "
cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 9:21 AM:
" University of Minnesota economists C. Ford Runge and Benjamin Senauer point out that filling the gas tank of an SUV with pure ethanol requires more than 450 pounds of corn -- roughly enough calories to feed one person for a year.".....Now...how arrogant is that? Bring me my Iraqi oil from our "war for oil", I'd gladly burn that in my tank before food.
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cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 9:04 AM:
" Corn is already the most subsidized crop in America, raking in a total of $51 billion in federal handouts between 1995 and 2005 -- twice as much as wheat subsidies and four times as much as soybeans. Ethanol itself is propped up by hefty subsidies, including a fifty-one-cent-per-gallon tax allowance for refiners. And a study by the International Institute for Sustainable Development found that ethanol subsidies amount to as much as $1.38 per gallon -- about half of ethanol's wholesale market price. (I stole that info from Rollingstone Magazine...surely not a conservative thinktank by any stretch).
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cewoodford wrote on May 16, 2008 9:02 AM:
" Corn prices have risen because of FEDERAL MANDATES requiring it be inserted into your gasoline Jack. It's called a false market. Our current ethanol production represents only 3.5 percent of our gasoline consumption but yet it consumes twenty percent of the entire U.S. corn crop, causing the price of corn to double in the last two years and raising the threat of hunger in the Third World. And the increasing acreage devoted to corn for ethanol means less land for other staple crops. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 16, 2008 12:47 AM:
" Average Corn prices haven't risen for nearly a decade! It's been at about 4 dollars per bushel for years. Feed prices have skyrocketed because of the massive cost of planting the crop, harvesting it, transporting it to the mill, then transporting it back to the farmer. The only thing ethanol has affected at all is putting one more step in a small amount of the corn that is destined for feed. That one step being part of the corn processed into ethanol while the waste of that process is converted into high-nutrient livestock feed. "
cewoodford wrote on May 15, 2008 5:54 PM:
" Jack, I agree the oil prices certainly have CONTRIBUTED to food prices going up, however,simple increased costs in getting the product to market is not the main culprit here, the false market created for corn through ethanol mandates is the front and center problem. Oil companies, whom I have no liking for, are not the main cause of our food price increases, it's the Ethanol industry. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on May 15, 2008 9:51 AM:
" The ethanol that is made from corn isn't even made from the nutrients in the corn. The byproduct from the ethanol production is turned into high nutrient livestock feed.
Also, it's not the ethanol that's causing your food prices to rise, it's the fuel prices itself! Think about it, the ethanol that's made comes from corn that, while it would normally be destined for cattle feed, goes through this process then comes out as feed that's easier for the cattle to get the nutrients out of. The fact that all our food has to be transported by trucks that are run by 4-5 dollar per gallon diesel fuel is what is causing your food prices to rise.
True, ethanol is not our final answer, but when we finally optimize a vehicle to run off of pure ethanol, we'll have an extremely efficient vehicle. "
really? wrote on May 14, 2008 10:45 PM:
" I suspect it is far fewer politicians than the ones which have an interest in oil.
Ethanol made from corn turned out to be a bad idea, but politicians won't get off the band wagon. I support looking for alternatives, but when all the evidence shows it's not working, it's time to more forward.
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cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM:
" I'd also like to know how many politicians have a direct financial tie to the Great Ethanol Scam. "
cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 1:29 PM:
" Let me also say this. Ethanol should be produced using cellulose materials(i.e. corn/plant byproducts) instead of FOOD. Does anyone have a sense of how utterly arrogant it must appear to the rest of the world that we BURN our food in our vehicles? We BURN foodstuffs in our vehicles because we're that damn arrogant.... "
cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 1:18 PM:
" 50 cents a gallon for gas? I'm still chuckling about that Farmboy...I would GLADLY pay that and make up the extra on my milk which has gone up WAY over 50cents a gal since the Great Ethanol Scam came into existence..Beef? Yea...that's going up dramatically next year..Chicken? Going up as well.. Basically ALL foodstuffs are going up or have already gone up..Why? Easy, the cost to produce these foods have gone up because all the feed has gone up in price..WHY? Because Ethanol is paying out of market prices for your corn..Why use a field to produce feed corn when you can make a TON more money selling it by the bushel to a subsidized(welfare) industry... 50cents a gallon more for gas Farmboy? SIGN ME UP ANYDAY, just take away the Great Ethanol Scam and the ensuing financial wrecking ball caused by it. "
cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 1:12 PM:
" Furthermore Farmboy, refining crude and producing gasoline IS less damaging to the environment than ethanol. How much energy does it require to produce one gallon of ethanol? Count all the way back to the gas needed to power the tractor to plant the seed..Ethanol is NOT an greener answer to gas in its current form, Ethanol is the WRONG ANSWER to our energy problems. It's the answer to YOUR problems because its like free money. You've NEVER sold corn for as high a price as you are today Farmboy, and that's great...except you're SCREWING the rest of us. "
cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 1:03 PM:
" Furthermore Farmboy, what you're getting in subsidizies isnt what this is about, you are benefiting form a FALSE MARKET created by the Ethanol industry and the politicians it's in bed with. If you cant farm and make any money guess what? DONT FARM THEN, leave it to corporations who can do it on larger economies of scale. I feel bad for the buggy whip maker but guess what? Im bnot about to subsidize his existence because Henry Ford screwed him. "
cewoodford wrote on May 14, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Farmboy, that false market for corn you're currently enjoying is SCREWING the rest of us consumers. And would I rather pay an xtra 50 cents for gas? HELL YES, it would be ALOT cheaper than subsidizing an ENTIRE industry as well as now having to pay more for my food. 50 cents a gallon? YES, I would GLADLY pay that. The ONLY reason you are speaking so highly of the Great Ethanol Scam is that you, the farmer, are getting a DIRECT BENEFIT fromn this NONSENSE. "
JED wrote on May 13, 2008 9:14 PM:
" Actually, there are better ways to produce ethanol than by using corn. There was an article a few weeks ago on CNN's website about using algae to make ethanol. The amount produced was phenomenal compared to using corn. The space required was also very small. I'm sure that algae could be used year around for this purpose; whereas corn is only harvested once a year. Although it's still in the research stage, I'm thinking there's no future in corn based ethanol. "
farmboy wrote on May 13, 2008 7:05 PM:
" The substities I get doesn't amount to anything. I could care less if they ended them, as long as there is a decent price for corn so a little money can be made. But as soon as a farmer actually starts to make a little money everybody starts screaming about food prices. Would you get out of bed in the morning to lose money everday? "
farmboy wrote on May 13, 2008 7:01 PM:
" so producing and refining crude has less of an environmental impact than producing ethanol? "
Rawhide wrote on May 13, 2008 6:59 PM:
" Its time to end all farm subsidies...not just those for corn/ethanol. And "Farmboy", are you going to tell us you get no subsidies for corn? Please educate the rest of us... I can hardly wait. I won't hold my breath... "
bill4362 wrote on May 13, 2008 6:18 PM:
" Farmboy - Before you claim that others do not have a clue about ethanol, you have to have provide some indication that you have a clue yourself. As far as I can tell, the public should be for ethanol because you think it is a good thing. It has been established that without government subsidies, the production of ethanol would not be profitable. Tax payers are already paying for ethanol before it even makes it to the pump. We are also paying for environmental impacts related to ethanol production. Please tell me how these thoughts are incorrect. "
farmboy wrote on May 13, 2008 4:05 PM:
" I love the fact that the people that are against ethanol are the ones that don't have a clue, and should just keep quiet until they get educated about it. "
BLUEJAY01 wrote on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM:
" WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER I PAY IT AT THE PUMP OR IF I PAY IT THROUGH TAXES WHICH ARE USED TO SUBSIDIZE THE FARMER TO GROW THE CORN? "
farmboy wrote on May 13, 2008 2:38 PM:
" would you rather be paying an extra .50 cents a gallon for gasoline right now, because without the ethanol, that is what you would be paying. "
BLUEJAY01 wrote on May 13, 2008 12:23 PM:
" ETHANOL IS NOT THE ANSWER TO OUR FUEL PROBLEMS, AND IT IS TIME PEOPLE REALIZE THAT MORE HARM THAN GOOD IS THE RESULT OF THE PRODUCTION. PLUS, NO MATTER HOW MANY SCRUBBERS AND AND THERMO OXIDIZERS THEY ADD, THE EMISSIONS STILL SMELL BAD AND ALLOW FOR THE RELEASE OF A CORN RESIDUE WHICH STAINS EVERYTHING IN THE AREA. HAS TO MAKE ONE WONDER WHAT IT IS DOING FOR THE HEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF A PLANT. "
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