justenough wrote on Feb 27, 2008 9:21 AM:
" sharkbob, you hit the nail right on the head. She would have been coddled, protected, and taken care of for life then. Amazing how nobody from the Diocese has the balls to respond to their latest mistake. Sure hope they are so perfect in their own little lives, and that something like this discrimation never happens to one of their own. "
sharkbob wrote on Feb 27, 2008 7:46 AM:
" she should have molested a young boy, at least then she would have been allowed to keep her job !!! "
montee wrote on Feb 26, 2008 5:22 PM:
" "Religion" seems to be the problem then, doesnt it? Maybe society needs to take a look at the difference between being 'religious' and being a 'Christian'. Sadly, the 2 have evolved into 2 totally different terms. Especially if 'all religions are businesses'. It wasnt meant to be that way. And actually, all churchs have all kinds of sinners in them. That's what they are there for. When the 'entity' decides to forgive one sin and not the other is where where the wrong is committed. "
JustCannotResist wrote on Feb 26, 2008 5:09 PM:
" I hope that the principal and the men in charge in Wabasha lose sleep over this. In fact, I wish them no sleep at all. I hope these comments stick with them like glue and that the guilt never leaves them. Then...they'd finally feel like a true Catholic.... "
xfs-123 wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:33 PM:
" OK Catholics: What would Jesus do in this case? Would he forgive or would he cast her out?
Hmmm, Eve was tossed out of the GARDEN because she broke a rule....But the bible says forgive and even suggests turning the other cheek when you have been offended.
Vengeance is for God...Or is it an eye for eye.
Do priest who molest children lose their jobs and get tossed out on the street or do they just go away to a home for wayward pedophiles and work in a GARDEN?
Very confusing standards here!
"
xfs-123 wrote on Feb 26, 2008 12:15 PM:
" First off, all religions are guilt based and man-made. Catholics have little to do with the bible in their schools. Second, all religions are businesses. Third, all religions have sexual predators in their male clergy - only the Catholic church tried to cover it up on every level of their hierarchy. Fourth, the Catholic church seems to do best at "Do what I say, not as I do."
Misconduct or breaking your employment terms in other jobs can get you fired. I am just not sure that getting pregnant out of wedlock is a reason for termination in any other job though. Stewardesses are an example. I also wonder what happens when nuns get pregnant. "
montee wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:44 PM:
" Steve: They still are, like Jim said, "missing a chance to teach forgiveness" if they make it very public that they forgive the priests, or others who are in higher positions in the catholic church, and then hold higher standards for others and send them packing when they mess up. All I'm saying is that thier Biblical stand should mean more than thier guidlines, budgets and rules. "
Pirate Steve wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:00 PM:
" CT: You should write a letter to the Pope about this crazy epidemic! First, Lewiston, now all Catholics! "
Pirate Steve wrote on Feb 25, 2008 8:59 PM:
" Montee: It is within staffing guidelines, budgeting, and rules that each is allowed its own freedom. I can see how I did not clearly state that. Biblically, the entire Church IS on the same page, which is adventageous over many other Christian churches. There are dozens of different kinds of Bible Churches, Baptist churches, Lutheran Churches, and many others. Within their congregations, each Pastor is left to discern and interpret the Bible, whereas in the Catholic Church, there is one interpretation so that everyone is on the same page. "
CT Rock wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:20 PM:
" I'm more concerned about the Church's stance on those afflicted by the veggie virus. Like, since they are not really in control of their actions and are simply reacting on survival instinct with the most animalistic of senses for veggies ... should they be punished to eternal damnation if they committ an unforgivable sin? Should they be allowed an innocent break from baby jesus's judgement if they are solely reacting from an uncurable chemical inbalance for vegetables? I'm mostly concerned about how the Church will consider these poor souls if they decease in a veggie induced craze. Heaven or hell for the addicts? I would like the Church to have a press conference about this and place this directly into Canon. "
Lydia wrote on Feb 25, 2008 3:11 PM:
" I am so fortunate to not have grown up with any religion shoved down my throat. The kids who attended Catholic schools were doing the exact things that the Catholics were saying the rest of us were doing. Some of those Catholic girls knew things I didn't even know existed! It seems that according to the Catholic Church, it's okay to molest little children, but you better not get pregnant out of wedlock. Without religion and hypocrisy, I have worked at a stable job for years, I have not done something wrong and then just by confessing made it "go away" and I have kindness and compassion for others. "
montee wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:46 PM:
" P Steve Quote:"The other thing I know is that the Church hierarchy allows each individual school and church run themselves"
Dont you see the problem here? You said it yourself! A CHURCH is supposed to be ruled by God and His word, NOT 'each individual' entity. Not that they would, but wouldnt it make sense for them all to be on the same page?God's manual is really the only one to use IF anyone is going to call themselves a church. And it's written for each individual, meaning each person. Of course you need someone leading the flock but to allow each leader to operate on different ideals is Biblically incorrect(not to mention confusing!). Forgiveness is a gift that is to be offered on all levels, not just those in the high places. "
justenough wrote on Feb 25, 2008 10:35 AM:
" If the school dares to enfore their rules, then it should apply to both the male and female employees. I am sure the female employees were not head basketball coaches though. Go figure? "
Pirate Steve wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:57 AM:
" The other thing I know is that the Church hierarchy allows each individual school and church run themselves. They do not (and are not able to) interfere with the decisions of the priests and principals. In the state of Minnesota (unlike California and other states), each church is set up as a corporation. If a particular church/school gets sued, the entire diocese cannot be sued, because each church/school has its own decision making structure. So this school's ability or inability to enforce their own rules fairly to all staff members is strictly their decision, not the decision of the entire Catholic Church. "
Pirate Steve wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:53 AM:
" The way the Church (almost exclusively in the United States, mind you) handled the abuse committed by priests is/was HORRIBLE. They admit they approached it the wrong way, and they are now paying the price. To suggest that this woman's reluctance to accept responsibility for what she was accountable to has anything to do with the priest abuse scandal is rediculous! On the same line, I think that the male not getting fired for the same offense is HORRIBLE also! He should have been canned as well! "
Troller wrote on Feb 25, 2008 9:01 AM:
" Actually justenough you may be on to something there. The original contract might be considered as sexually discriminatory, a violation of her civil rights (to reproduce) and unenforceable as an unconscionable contract of adhesion. ( There may be ambiguity with regard what constitutes bad behavior, because bad behavior is in the eye of the beholder and varies from person to person) The Supreme Beings have ruled a woman has the right over her reproductive systems. She needs one of ACLU lawyers. "
justenough wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:10 AM:
" Anyone who knows this teacher who got fired, please tell her to hire an attorney asap. The local Catholic HS also did this to D, a female teacher years ago. Her male co-worker got his girlfriend pregnant, yet he kept his job. Now another pregnant female gets fired. Sounds like the good old Catholic church needs a nice little discimination lawsuit to wake them up. "
justenough wrote on Feb 25, 2008 7:08 AM:
" The Catholic Church surely has no problem forgiving its very own priests when they molest young boys. They even go as far as trying to keep it hush-hush. Yet they fire a pregnant woman. Winona, please ask why this did not happen to the male Catholic HS teacher who got his girlfriend pregnant. He too signed a Christian Witness Statement, yet he got the good old boy slaps on the back. Just because he doesn't have a baby bump, then its ok? "
montee wrote on Feb 25, 2008 6:33 AM:
" In Reply to P Steve:The catholic church is A CHURCH! and should not be compared to a business. Therefore,it has EVERYTHING to do with telling the truth. This woman did her job as a member of the church as well as to her God. Although what they have done to her is disheartening at best, I guess we can't really flinch too much can we. After all,this organization hasnt proven to make much sense since they have turned a blind eye(or is it called 'forgiven') with many priests that have done unbelievable acts, yet many remain in thier 'job'! Maybe to them forgiveness only apply to a few!? I dont know about others, but I would want to attend where they follow the word of God, not the 'policies'. "
SSNUFFY wrote on Feb 24, 2008 10:30 AM:
" There is a day out in front of us when when all will be laid bare. The collars will come off, The Vestments laid down. And every man will be judged according to his heart. and as God said, dont worry over the speck in a brothers eye take care of the board in your own,. I am plenty busy right here at home. "
El Uno wrote on Feb 23, 2008 8:16 AM:
" Troller, actually people who play the games almost never make the rules. If you look at any major sport, the owners decide on rule alterations or additions. I guess you could call this one of those rules of nature.... "
Realtor Star wrote on Feb 23, 2008 3:07 AM:
" Not EVERYONE gets this refund. Since my income is too high, I won't get it. It only goes to certain people, damn! "
The Ultimate Hustler wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:56 PM:
" FYI I'm sending everyone's IP address to the IRA "
Troller wrote on Feb 22, 2008 4:06 PM:
" To the pope and all his minions, You don't play the game so you don't make the rules. Stay out of private sex lives and mind your priest's inclinations. "
El Uno wrote on Feb 22, 2008 2:30 PM:
" by the way pirate, she did accept responsibility by telling the truth instead of having an abortion. If she had lied she would still have a job. Jim is saying the "all forgiving" church should have forgave her for her sins. That's kind of what the whole article was about.... "
myepinion wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Jim, your words about the teacher were spot on. The Cathlic church's ability to throw stones while it preaches not to is what is making people leave that sect. I wish the parents would have spoken up in her defense! "
El Uno wrote on Feb 22, 2008 11:22 AM:
" I love how we have a pirate giving us a lecture in responsibility and ethics. "
Pirate Steve wrote on Feb 22, 2008 10:15 AM:
" How can anyone defend this lady?? She signed a conduct agreement, and she clearly did not fulfill it! At my job, if I don't fulfill the requirements, I get reprimanded as well. Yes, if the offense is serious enough, I would also get canned/asked to resign. This has nothing to do with telling the truth versus lying! If she had chosen to keep the child, there was no way she could lie about it! They would have found out eventually anyways. ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. "
LostGirl wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:35 AM:
" Just another example of when someone does the right thing, they get screwed over. So I guess this is another lesson learned, do the wrong thing, lie, and you'll be ok. "
CT Rock wrote on Feb 22, 2008 9:09 AM:
" You are a new man now Jim! "
get things right wrote on Feb 22, 2008 8:29 AM:
" My extra refund is going right back to the government since they say I didn't pay enough last year. Thanks for nothing. "
xfs-123 wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:59 AM:
" It's been a lot more recent than 50 since priest abused children and bishops, cardinals and the pope covered it up. It's still going on with some priest and other religious leaders. Right here in Winona too. "
El Uno wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:56 AM:
" Did she try the "Immaculate Conception" line???? I remember that working about 2,000 years ago!!! "
Troller wrote on Feb 22, 2008 7:26 AM:
" I'm using mine to pay this years taxes. "