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Published - Wednesday, February 06, 2008
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Those in favor of school uniforms for kids, please raise your hand

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At least once a week, I have a heated discussion with my son about his choice of clothing for school. He is only 7, and I am starting to let him make his own choices. But often, they aren’t the most tasteful choices.

Yes, he has a few T-shirts that promote WWF wrestling or have sayings, such as “blame my sister.” Those have been purchased to wear around the house — basically play clothes. It’s no secret boys wear through their clothes pretty quickly.
However, when he chooses one of those T-shirts for school, he finds himself scrambling for a change before he heads out the door.

School dress codes have changed so much over the years.

Stories are told of girls kneeling down to check whether their skirts touch the ground. Young men having their hair cut above the collar. I was raised in a Catholic school where

uniforms were worn, and it never fazed me.

As clothing styles have changed, with girls wearing clothes that seem to have shrunk in the dryer and boys wearing items that seem to have been bought at the big and tall store, I have become a big fan of uniforms.

The current Winona Senior High School student handbook has a lengthy list of rules for student attire, including no chains from belts, no coats on inside, no obscene messages on shirts, no shirts promoting underage illegal activities, no clothing that exposes abdomen, buttocks, chest … the list goes on and on.

Think of how short that list would be if students had to wear uniforms.

School uniforms don’t have to be plaid jumpers or polyester pants. They can be as simple as blue or khaki pants, with a few color choices for shirts with a collar. A simple guideline for uniforms may make many parents’ lives a lot less stressful. I don’t think I’m alone in the dressing-for-school battle. I can’t even imagine what happens when children become teenagers.

Those in favor of school uniforms feel the benefits include less distraction during the day for children, while instilling discipline and a sense of community. While school violence is not a major issue in our community, many inner-city schools have found a decline in violence when school uniform policies are instituted.

In 1998, during President Clinton’s State of the Union address, he mentioned the positive impact of student uniform policies in Long Beach, Calif. That district is the third largest in California, and one of the most diverse ethnically and socio-economically.

Administrators tend to be in favor of the uniform policies as it allows them to spend less time acting as “school fashion police.”

Those opposed have raised the argument that it stifles students to express themselves freely and that they may be cost prohibitive.

While many may use their choice of clothing to express themselves, there are more hours in the day outside of school to do so.

The argument of cost has become less of an issue as many retailers have started selling uniform items, including Old Navy, Target and many other contemporary retailers, where parents and students may already purchase clothing.

Those most opposed to the uniform policy are the students themselves. School districts that have implemented uniforms have used simple options, such as the khaki bottom and a plain top rather than the traditional plaid polyester skirts and jumpers.

Districts that faced opposition have also made uniforms voluntary to ease the transition.

School uniforms are not a new concept and will never be without opponents. When it comes down to it, schools are places to get an education, and while many students don’t like math, it is not a choice to take the class.

The fashion changes in the past 30 years have been amazing. It’s up to the schools to help maintain a balance of what is and is not appropriate. As parents, we need to support the

decisions these institutions make, even though it may lead to heated discussions with our 7- or 17-year-old children.

Maggie Modjeski lives in Winona and writes a column for the Winona Daily News on Mondays.
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theguy33 wrote on Feb 10, 2008 8:00 PM:

" well catmom it was intellIgent until you spelt intellIgent with an E (intellegent) instead of an I (intelligent). "

maconosmom wrote on Feb 10, 2008 1:39 PM:

" Maggie, cost is still an issue. Most people in Winona cannot afford to buy their children two separate wardrobes, and it doesn't matter if the uniforms can be purchased at Target. You still have to buy the uniforms and then clothes for the children to wear after school and on weekends. I don't think most kids would be willing to wear the uniforms every waking moment, so you would need to essentially buy two wardrobes. I know I can't afford to do that, and a lot of others can't either, but hey if it makes your life simpler, why not impose it on everyone else. "

catmom wrote on Feb 10, 2008 3:11 AM:

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Grow up ya'all i thought this was supossed to be intellegent conversion and not backstabing like little school girls "

ssnuffy wrote on Feb 9, 2008 7:38 AM:

" Why would anyone want to get in on this crap!!~! Useless banter from folks needing a job i think. "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 8, 2008 11:11 PM:

" oh perfectstranger give it a rest.. no one cares what u have to say... ever "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 8, 2008 11:22 AM:

" El Uno, what did my 'speaks to me' comment have to do with mutes (or MIMES?!?)? Are you having difficulty with reading comprehension? Did you not comprehend that my return volley was a 'play' on your choice of the word 'speak'? Seriously, are you playin' or are you really obtuse? By the way, you've been equally responsible for pulling the comments off-topic, so don't play the innocent... "

El Uno wrote on Feb 8, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Anybody else remember when the topic of conversation was school uniforms????? "

El Uno wrote on Feb 8, 2008 8:03 AM:

" PS - I feel like you were being disrespectful of all the mutes when you clearly defined that theguy33 must speak words to "talk" to people. Talk can be used to replace communicate, but you just have to be immature and make all the mutes and mimes think about how they are physically unable to just sit around and "talk" Grow up PerfectStranger, you're so immature. "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:04 PM:

" oh no, good one! way to climb the ranks of insults with pulling the maturity card.. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:28 PM:

" The 'short bus' insult is not only stale, it is also demeaning to persons with actual physical and mental disabilities. Seriously, your use of it shows your insensitivity. I've been under the impression that you've considered ME to be the immature person. I think that title firmly belongs to you now. "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:13 PM:

" perfectstranger was the type of kid that got his personal pickup by a short bus in his school days.. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 7, 2008 3:49 PM:

" What a comeback... "

El Uno wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:20 AM:

" Wow... "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:08 AM:

" If he 'speaks' to me, it is because his lips move as he types his comments... "

El Uno wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Why wouldn't he come back for more? It obviously makes him feel smarter to speak to you. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 7, 2008 7:19 AM:

" ...and yet you keep coming back for more. "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 6, 2008 9:00 PM:

" game? what game!? we talkin' bout practice! not the game... practice... we talking bout practice... practice... not... not... not the game.. that perfectstranger gives 110% for and even punishes his body... but we talkin' bout practice man, practice! compliments of Allen Iverson.

ps. perfectstranger... youre a moron "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 6, 2008 5:52 PM:

" I really think it was quite obvious that I understood the gist of the "/" backslash, and yes, I understood that daughter might just be one of a number of "illegitimate" children. Do you people really think I'm that moronic? Wait, don't answer that...

The thing is, you suggest you don't like this 'game', yet you keep coming back for more.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 6, 2008 4:29 PM:

" i read the comments and well.. i was going to reply with a beautiful explanation of how your an idiot perfectstranger but el uno appears to be right on the ball here.. "

El Uno wrote on Feb 6, 2008 4:11 PM:

" By the way PerfectStranger, the "/" theguy used was to indicate "or" not a crossbreed. Also, in one comment he mentioned your many children, while in another he focused on one in particular. It is possible to have "children" and also a daughter, fool. "

El Uno wrote on Feb 6, 2008 4:08 PM:

" thanks for that very informative comment, theguy33. I was under the impression that the "uniform" skirts came in multiple lengths according to personal preference. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 6, 2008 10:35 AM:

" What is a "stay at home mom/dad"? Some sort of bizarre cross breeding of a mom and a dad? You claim to know me, yet you don't even know if I'm a male or a female. Fool!
Which is it, do I have "...many illegitimate children..." or one "...his/her illegitimate daughter...? You contradicted your first comment with the second one. Make up your psychic mind (or get your crystal ball cleaned, it's not doing the job for you at all right now, fool! "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 10:23 PM:

" by the way el uno, school issued clothing comes with regulations of lengths.. girls definately beat those on their own terms.. maybe it is there parents who let them leave that should be regulated? like perfect stranger for instance, you know his/her illegitimate daughter is out there runnin around with little clothing.. a direct correlation to how the daughter was raised "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 10:20 PM:

" perfect stranger youre no puppet master, my friend. i am no toy in your attic, nor am i worked up. you prompted these arguments, and did so poorly while showing how presumtuous you are by your claims to having the skill of comprehension. Youre out of work, draining society, probably a stay at home mom/dad with many illegitimate children, living in low income housing, arguing on wdn.com because you are a low life.. and you try to pick on me.. "

El Uno wrote on Feb 5, 2008 4:22 PM:

" If there are any males on here arguing against uniforms they should be stripped of the "Man Club Card". Yeah it sucks the guys have to wear uniforms, but just think of the plaid skirts for the ladies!!!!!!
Oh and ando1, you have absolutely lost your mind. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 5, 2008 12:43 PM:

" Hey, Hustler. I've just been toying with xfs-123 and with theguy33, and now they think I've got Toys in the Attic.

I guess I was scarred by having to wear uniforms for a few years at a school I once attended, and the end result is that I don't play well with others. Just playing those Mind Games together...

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The Ultimate Hustler wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Hey guys I got here late... what's going on? "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 5, 2008 10:45 AM:

" I was just provoking you guys until one of you got so steamed you started SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS! I'm going to blame my condition on the Veggie Virus... "

xfs-123 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 10:08 AM:

" PerfectStranger: Do YOU need glasses? I WILL READ WHAT I WANT AND COMMENT ON WHAT ON I WANT WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. MY AGREEMENT WAS WITH WHAT THEGUY33 SAID REGARDING SLIM PICKINGS FOR A NEWSPAPER COLUMN AND I ADDED MY OWN THOUGHTS AFTER THAT. Cripes, you are dense! Answer your own questions now: Can you comprehend that? Do you need to go back to school? Why do you read something you don't like? duh! Ha! This conversation is pathetic and it is now over. "

LostGirl wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:47 AM:

" To ando1: Swallow your pride and quit trying to prove that you are better than everyone else. People live their OWN lives and should not be beaten down and striped of their opinions just because of what one person did that they did not. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:16 AM:

" There goes 'theguy33' making all kinds of ASSumptions. This is a new century, and advancing technologies mean not everyone has to work outside the home - but keep on guessing if that's what makes your day brighter. And no, I don't criticize EVERYONE'S opinion, and I don't think I'm always right. You should be able to tell from my writing that you need not 'dumb it down' for me. My comprehension skills are quite high, thank you. Have a nice day! "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:35 PM:

" oh yeah, can u comprehend what i just wrote perfect stranger? or do i need to dumb it down for you? maybe you need to go back to school. maybe your opinion ISNT always right. maybe it is you sir, that no one gives a rats behind about what your opinion is. "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:31 PM:

" perfect stranger.. get a job.. obviously you have far too much time if you sit on here and make a comment every few hours..! There's a column idea i should write.. "Drains on Society", similar to that of you.. people who a. dont have a job(probably you)or b. sit on their computer at work(possibly you). You are no high power that gets to tell people what they should and should not say in here. stop criticizing everyones opinion and get a life "

mrstaylor wrote on Feb 4, 2008 9:39 PM:

" I am a native californian, who graduated rather *ahem* recently. During my 13 years of public school, I attended a middle school that required uniforms. It was one of the most stress-free years of my schooling. At the beginning of the year my mother purchased 2 skirts, 5 collared shirts, and a cardigan. This was the entirety of clothing that was needed. In a culture where so much value is placed on clothing brands it was a relief to go to a school where all that made you "cool" was rolling up your skirt an extra inch. I am all for uniforms. School is for learning, not a fashion show or beauty pageant. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 4, 2008 5:05 PM:

" xfs-123: Do you need glasses? Where did I even suggest that you need my permission to write a comment? That is a serious question. Can you answer it? Now, if you re-read your original comment, you will see that you wrote, "I also agree with theguy33 that some of these columns are turning into...", etc. AS THAT IS WRITTEN it looks as if you are agreeing to something specifically stated by someone. If you cannot understand why, you need to return to school. I will repeat - if such 'personal' columns do nothing for you, them MOVE ALONG and leave them to the people who enjoy them. Can you comprehend that simple idea? "

yarnivek wrote on Feb 4, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Could be worse. You could have a 10 year old girl wanting to wear a thong. "

xfs-123 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 3:57 PM:

" cont and back on topic: My parents had to buy special uniforms for me when I was in grade school back in the 50s. The school decided all their students would wear uniforms after I had been going there a few years. It was a financial burden to them to buy all of these extra pants, shoes and shirts for me and the skirt equivalent for my sister. There are already enough rules and laws that affect everyone because some people can't do the right thing in the first place. "

xfs-123 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 3:45 PM:

" PerfectStranger: I will read what I want and comment on what I want without your permission. My agreement was with what theguy33 said regarding slim pickings for a newspaper column and I added my own thoughts after that. And in fact, this article is nothing more than what I said: a parent whining about not being able to say no to her kid and so she concludes that all kids in school should wear uniforms. If kids walk around looking ridiculous - who's fault is that? "

ando1 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 3:13 PM:

" Specifically to Ben Ken: What "rights" are you being denied? You are between 15-18, and you haven't earned a thing in your life. Respect is earned, not given. You aren't special just because you are in high school. Get a job and be a productive citizen for a few years before you snivel about your lack of rights. Get a degree or be in the military before you complain about all the rights you are being denied. I know of over 58,000 great American heroes who gave up their lives and rights in Viet Nam. I am humbled by what they gave. I was there too, and am stll (thankfully) here. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 4, 2008 12:31 PM:

" xfs-123, how can you agree with something 'theguy33' didn't even write? His comment says nothing about whining or bragging. Now, if you don't enjoy these personalized columns, why do you bother to read them? I know plenty of people who love reading Maggie's column. If you consider it to be nothing but whining and bragging, then why do you bother with it? Duh... "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 4, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Ben Ken, I was in high school in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Student fashions and hairstyles today owe a lot to that time. I'm older than Maggie by a dozen years and I can tell you that times haven't changed as much as you might think. My high school was very diverse - internationally so. Students had very few rules about what to wear. When I was younger, I went to a privatte school and had to wear uniforms. It didn't kill me to wear them. However, they were more expensive than my other clothes, and my parents didn't like having to buy them. "

Ben Ken wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:59 AM:

" I understand where you are coming from, Maggie. However, being a senior in high school, I know that we would like the freedom to express ourselves in school. We are denied so many freedoms as it is, resulting in the students of Winona Senior High School feeling more like convicts then actual people. School uniforms would only increase the feeling of prison. Times have changed since you went to school and nowadays, it is more culturally diverse, resulting in a larger taste of what people wear. "

as i see it wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Maggie I agree with you after seeing how the kids dress. I know of a private school where the boys have a white shirt with a tie and black slacks also the girls wear a white blouse with a black skirt and to me they look very nice. Go a little further and remember when teachers always wore a tie and dressed like professionals? All kids would be all equal in school and I believe attitudes would change. "

xfs-123 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Can parents no longer just say NO? Why should everyone have to buy uniforms just becasue some parents can't act like parents? I also agree with theguy33 that some of these columns are turning into nothing more than the writers either whining about some personal issue or bragging about their families or themselves. "

PerfectStranger wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:00 AM:

" If this subject doesn't interest you, 'theguy33', I can think of several suggestions for action on your part. One might be to write and submit your own item for the Guest View. Another might be to contact Maggie Modjeski directly and inform her that you expect everyone to follow only YOUR interests, and that from now on she must clear all of her articles through you. Or, maybe you could grow up and learn to ignore what doesn't interest you. Oh, and leave Slim Pickens out of it, he's dead now, and can't defend himself... "

LostGirl wrote on Feb 4, 2008 9:52 AM:

" I don't know about any of you, but when I was that age my choice of clothing was a way to express my individuality. As a girl, fashion is important, and I can't imagine going everyday wearing the same thing as everybody else. How boring and unoriginal! Yes I agree there should be rules set in place to keep people from dressing inappropriately, but uniforms would make everyday all the more boring and turn students into a hurd of sheep. Why is it we always must set rules to 'conform' everybody into being a certain way, dressing a certain way? Leave it be. And if your son or daughter doesn't have any decent clothes for school, go shopping. Work WITH your child on picking out clothes, give them some flexibility yet let them know what is inappropriate. Seems this is too hard for parents these days... "

theguy33 wrote on Feb 3, 2008 11:24 PM:

" apparently the topics are slim pickens as of late "


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