mury wrote on Jan 20, 2008 7:47 PM:
" If there is a meeting (if there is a meeting)of the minds it might be to strategize on a replacement. That would be what we would do in my place of employment. "
mury wrote on Jan 20, 2008 3:11 PM:
" "Free Reign" I don't think so. Maybe he is just a better police officer that Mark ever was. "
louie wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:42 PM:
" Mury, I find it very interesting that Chief Dungy had to have EVERYTHING approved by council, but now the other officer in charge is given free reign in what he does. Seems like a double standard to me. Or maybe council just used the micro managing as a way to try to drive Dungy out, just like with other past city employees. "
louie wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:37 PM:
" Tom, the rumblings of a lawsuit must be true,especially if the council has posted notice of a CLOSED mtg to discuss negotiations and strategies for Chief Dungy. Seems to me there might be a problem afterall. "
mury wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:47 PM:
" I would like to know how the council can get anything done. It seems like everything they are working on is personnel issues. louis you seem to have all the answers...why don't you run for council and then see how easy it is. They just cannot please everybody. Try doing some of that stuff that Mark got reprimanded for at work and see if you don't get fired. Three infractions and you are gone. How many has he had so far? "
louie wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:03 PM:
" That's right Tom, Lewiston will have to wait and see I guess. I can't wait to see city officials explain their grounds for discipline actions to an UNBIASED authority. City officials CANNOT do what they want- how they want without consequences. Tell me what POSITIVE things the city offficials have done for Lewiston---short list if any. "
Tom wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:05 PM:
" Louie, just you watch and listen to what that EX-cop in Fountain City gets. Just wait and see what Mark Dungy gets. Can you say NOTHING! Louie, what exactly did you expect to hear from Marks attorney? Did you think he would say, "yep Mark hasn't been doing his job, and deserved to be fired?" Common Louie, Mark is paying him to defend him and say the only things he can to defend his client. Lewiston is rid of Dungy and all salesmanship. "
louie wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:35 AM:
" Tom and Mury,if you paid attn to Lewiston city code, you too would see that the allegations against Dungy are not cause for disciplinary action.--stated by Dungy's atty. Yet city officals continue to pursue the allegations and take action. Seems to me they are setting themselves up for some legal action. If a Lewiston is served with a lawsuit, they will now have to answer to a higher authority about their actions. "
louie wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:29 AM:
" Tom and Mury--did you read the article about the Fountain city cop suing for lack of due process? After what happened to Dungy, I would not be surprised to see a lawsuit. City officals CANNOT do whatever they want without any legal boundaries. "
mury wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:58 AM:
" LISTEN!!! Go back to your Kindergarden. If you don't listen how do you intend to learn anything? That is why most of you just don't get it.
"
mury wrote on Jan 17, 2008 10:47 AM:
" "Also I heard they were received papers yesterday of a lawsuit." comment from 1/16/08 9:14AM... Wow!! Sounds to me like the only person who would know this is the person filing the suit or the lawyer. Now we all know. "
Tom wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:54 PM:
" Louie, how was I wrong? Please explain the details of this lawsuit. I know Louie, what lawsuit? "
Tom wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:52 PM:
" The list on Dungy is not private. How many meetings did the council and or mayor read out the list? I know I have heard this list read multiple times. Some of you keep bringing up this one little item against Mark like you didn't know there was more. How many times do these items need to be told to you before it sinks in? There is a list and its been documented many times, by councilmen and the mayor. I can't help it that you don't want to listen. "
louie wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:22 PM:
" So in today's mtg--council is now discussing further allegations of Dungy. When is it enough already? How can you bring an investigation against someone that was fired? More lies to smear Dungy with I guess. In my opinion, council should be VERY careful of what they do. Citizens will not have to worry about the city officials antics for much longer, the vote will take care of them in Nov. Just hope Lewiston can hang on until then. "
L. R. Lewiston wrote on Jan 16, 2008 6:39 PM:
" Tom
You keep saying that there are more issues, that we are missing. What are those issues? Can you share them with us? Or are you legally bond not to? I find that you and Mury talk alike, is that because you work together? Tom and Mury please grace us, naive common folk, with your knowledge. Thanks "
louie wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM:
" Looks like Tom was WRONG! Lewiston is not untouchable from a lawsuit are they? Maybe next time, their arrogance should not get in the way. The Lewiston Council and adminstrator have done nothing but bring the town down. And now they have no one to blame, but themselves. "
rufus wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:14 AM:
" Tom I understand the city has been back peddling to cover their rearends since the meeting on the 9th. Also I heard they were received papers yesterday of a lawsuit. Is this correct?? The boys and barbie were sure scrambling yesterday again to cover the rears. Where has our attorney been in all this, Wayne hasn't shown his face at any recent meetings but getting a nice check each month! "
Tom wrote on Jan 15, 2008 7:00 PM:
" To Me: you really don't have a clue as to the history between Mark and the council now do you? Stop dwelling on the single issue and move on, its far bigger and thats why Mark isn't working for the city of Lewiston any longer. I guess Mark couldn't learn from his numerous warnings so why should you know any different? "
Me wrote on Jan 15, 2008 6:17 AM:
" Tom- I've read the entire blog. Haven't you read any of my posts to have seen this? Like I said in my last one, your biggest gripe is that he didn't get your approval for training. I find it crazy that you give this man life and death decision making power but yet he can't decide when and what type of training he can attend. Please read the editorial in today's paper. Read and learn. "
Tom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:38 PM:
" Actually BIGMACMOM, I thought the chief, president, and CEO was you! "
maconosmom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 7:35 PM:
" We all know the chief CEO and president of Lewiston is the Kanz family-or so they think. Right Tom? "
Tom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 6:45 PM:
" To Me, whats crazy is that you think training was the only single issue that Mark was fired for. This actually shows how uninformed you are. Just read the entire blog and you would get enough to realize the extent of the issues with Mark. "
Me wrote on Jan 14, 2008 5:13 PM:
" The biggest gripe I've heard out of Mury and Tom about this subject was that the chief didn't get permission to attend a training session. C'mon! You guys hired him to run a department. You guys gave him the authority to carry a gun and if necessary to defend his life or another's by shooting somebody, but when it comes to whether or not he can attend a training session you folks required him to ask ahead of time. Sounds crazy to me if you look at the grand scheme of it all. "
brownie01 wrote on Jan 14, 2008 1:10 PM:
" again, what comes around goes around Dungy-take pleasure in your new job-the unemployment line! "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:04 AM:
" The veggie virus is serious and no joke people, respect the boards please. Thanks. "
Tom wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:21 AM:
" But thats the problem Mury. A lot of these bloggers think the Chief is the CEO and President of Lewiston. They thought Mark was his own boss and didn't have to listen to anyone. Simple fact is the council is the boss over all city employees. "
LilMissSunshine wrote on Jan 13, 2008 4:16 PM:
" Dear CT Rock,
You are an idiot and the 5000 posts you've left in the past few days are stupid. Go work on your GED and quit beating a dead horse. You are not funny. At all.
"
mury wrote on Jan 13, 2008 10:23 AM:
" When ever and employee is fired and they have a keys to a building..whether they have turned in their key or not...locks are changed. That is what any company or city would do. This would also be done if keys were lost or a new council took over. This is a precautionary measure. When working for a company there are different levels of authority; dept managers, senior managers, CEO or president. "
jw wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:32 AM:
" Also, if anyone paid close attention or went to City Hall on Friday, you will take note, the Barbie had the locks changed on the Community Center and City Hall again, boy Tom's Lock should open a business in Lewiston, they'd be rich, this is the third time locks have been changed if you paid any attention at all. "
no name wrote on Jan 13, 2008 5:01 AM:
" Lex, you mentioned Little Billy and the carpet being swept. You are a fun one to leave that message and then leave people hanging. Perhaps inquiring minds will want to know.
Are you implying that Barb may have acted unethically and the council looked the other way? The council chose to fire a man for alleged infractions and did not see the Little Billy story and the ambulance director personal vehicle invasion as serious issues?
What power does this woman have over 5 of Lewiston's finest? The wives and girlfriends of these council men and mayor should probably take lessons, there is a new girl in town and she is turning some heads. What a Barbie Doll!!! "
lexor wrote on Jan 13, 2008 2:37 AM:
" As it is Barbie thinks she can handle it all. She now wants the Fire Dept. accounts, will Jack and Bruce abstain from anything to do with this as they both belong to the fire dept. How can a newcomber have so much authority when we do have a council. It sure doesn't show much for you guys as she rules you all. Did you ever discipline Barbie for the false allegations she caused with Little Billy or did you all brush that under the table as well. It is obvious you as the council don't care at all about the relations of the one's that provided services for you on behalf of the council. Does she really satisfy you all that good or what? "
bulldog1 wrote on Jan 13, 2008 12:40 AM:
" BLA! BLA! BLA! Every body shut up !!! The people in this town make it a great comunity. Don't ruin it . By putting us in the front page . "
Sonny wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:41 PM:
" Adam:
Just because a budget is approved doesn't mean the chief can spend it without permission. Can your chief or sheriff decide he wants to buy as many cars as he wants without his bosses permission? Sometimes things come up where money that was approved in the budget needs to be used somewhere else. Then the chief's boss changes things. "
Sonny wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:39 PM:
" Adam:
You got it right. Your boss is the chief, so you have to get permission from the chief. The other cop in Lewiston had permission from his boss to go to the training so nothing should happen to him. But Dungy's bosses said he needs to get approval from them first and he didn't. Maybe the fact that he went to so many hours of training in one year made them decide to make him get approval first. If this would have been the first time he did something wrong it wouldn't be as big a deal. "
Tom wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:23 PM:
" Adam your again enforcing the thought that you have some real issues with authority. Chief does not give total authority. Ignoring council orders might be minor to you, in Marks case it means unemployment. So I guess if you don't see that as black and white add whatever color fits your version of being jobless. If you were talking about an isolated issue you might just have a case for being minor. I don't think thats the case here now is it? Minor? I think not Adam. "
Adam wrote on Jan 12, 2008 3:37 PM:
" Tom, again you are posting for the sake of creating more conflict. The police training budget was approved by the council and should be used by the Chief at his descretion. I thing that you see everything in black and white. Some where between black and white is an area of reasonableness that both the council and Chief should operate in. This is an exstremely minor issue, whether it ignores council orders or not it is not grounds for termination!! "
Me wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:35 PM:
" And one other thing...how is a cop suppose to know off the top of their head who is on probation or not? They hand probation out now like it is candy. Do you have any idea how many people are on probation in Winona County?How should he have known the person drinking in a bar was/is on probation? Aren't there different conditions when somebody is on probation compared to the next person. May be this person's conditions were such that they could drink. It isn't illegal to drink and if what caused them to be on probation wasn't related to alcohol or they don't have an alcohol problem, then why couldn't they drink? If the person was on probation and drinking, why didn't you call the sheriff office? Are you then party to probation violation since you didn't do anything? "
Me wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:29 PM:
" So Tom, if I understand this correctly, the chief isn't the boss of the police department? So, if an officer wants to attend training he would approach his chief and the chief is suppose to go in front of the council and seek permission to send the officer? I've been to many council meetings in Rochester since this is where my business is, and I've yet seen the chief asking the council if he or any of his officers can attend training. Isn't that why the department has a training budget? Sounds to be very micro managing to me. I like it now there isn't a cop in Veggieton. I now zip right through at 60! "
Tom wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:01 PM:
" Adam, who exactly do you think was Marks boss? Obviously you have the same confusion as Mark did. He was not his own boss Adam. I am actually starting to see that you have or had the same reporting issues as Mark did. The chief is NOT the boss and answers to the council. Check it out Adam, see for yourself its the law of the land. "
spike wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:01 PM:
" No way Mury..what you know and have stated in these blogs is not on tv or anything else, you know lots more than the normal citizen...you are Barb or being told things that only Barb would know, which is very illegal...to tell data privacy issues.
Also weren't 2 of the councilmen on the previous council, are you stating that they did things that were illegal? If you know so much about illegal activity, why aren't you calling the state and recommending an audit, you are the one with all the information, the citizens don't know half of what you know, come on call in the state. A person can say alot of untruths which sound bad, but hey prove it, shouldn't be hard according to you...funny though, the accountants never said anything regarding this. But hey, you have come in and saved the city...right! "
mury wrote on Jan 12, 2008 1:28 PM:
" How long will it take before the state auditor comes down and does a complete investigate? I wonder who will have the red faces. It won’t be the current council. Why don’t you all give it a shot and call the state auditor requesting that this audit and investigation be done now. You want to do some thing...here is your chance for glory....go for it. The information that I have gathered has come from being at the council meetings and watching the videos on Thursday and Friday PM. I happen to be at the bar on the night Mark was there drinking with the woman on probation. "
Adam wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:35 PM:
" RE: Sonny ....In my case, and virtually all others state wide..the boss is the Chief of Police, and he approves or denies training. Let the Chief do the job he was hired to do!! Mayor Rain claims that he used to be a police officer...maybe he can come out of retirement and be Chief. "
spike wrote on Jan 12, 2008 11:14 AM:
" The city administrator could have easily okayed that state mandated training...that is why she is there, to handle things that come up that do not need to go to the council. The council expects her to run the day to day operations, theirs is not a full time job to sit there and make the decisions, that is why a city has an administrator. It is just all so bogus, it was a way to get rid of Mark, because he probably wouldn't let her in on every little detail of his office, which no one but the police should have access too, she couldn't control his every actions as she only wants to have puppets under her...the council is the same way, only they found in Barb a way to do it without getting their hands dirty. "
Sonny wrote on Jan 12, 2008 9:57 AM:
" I don't know Dungy. He is probably a real nice guy. But he just doesn't get it or is intentionally trying to challenge his bosses. I don't know where he is in his 3 year cycle of training. Was Jan 1, 08 the start of a new cycle or the middle of one. If it is the start he has three years to get that mandatory class he went to. If it is the middle he went to a lot of hours of training in 07 without going to some of the mandatory classes. He should be disciplined for that alone. There is no other department where his actions would be tolerated. Perhaps Adam could tell us if he has ever been allowed to go to training without prior approval from the bosses. "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:39 AM:
" Tom, you backed way off when people saw you for who you are, Steve. When people brought things out of your closet, you did not like it and you quit making comments. It was ok for you to make snide comments about another man, but, when the tables were turned, you became quiet.
"
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:38 AM:
" Comments being made here by city council, mayor, administrator and their close family members and friends have crossed the line in revealing personnel file items. Some of them also reveal things that they would have only known if they had driven around town watching them.
Tom, Mury, LewNative4, BlueJay01, Whitechicks: You all seem to have more information than the rest of the class. One can only see that you get info right out of personel files or from the city administrator.
"
jw wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:17 AM:
" MURY - where have you been, Barb can approve training without Council approval if it costs less than $300, that is the policy, read the minutes and get informed, oh I forgot the minutes are fabricated half the time too. "
louie wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:55 AM:
" mury..if the council isn't getting pd enough for all the crap, then maybe they should quit. It was supposed to be about "community service" or so I thought-not about the almighty dollar. Maybe the council should start listening to those THEY work for...the citizens. Having a voice is one of the citizens CONSTITUTIONAL rights. "
Me wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:47 AM:
" The more I thought about what Mury wrote concerning the chief's training in the past year made me very concerned. Mury is able to see this guy's personnel file and then shares it with the WDN bloggers. I'm sorry, but that isn't right especially sharing it with a blog site of all places. I'd bet there are some pieces of information contained in that file that would be covered by data privacy. Lewiston, aka Veggieton, might want to keep closer tabs on his file and not allow an employee or city government official share the information with the world. I guess it goes to show what type of people Veggieton has running and ruining that town. "
Me wrote on Jan 12, 2008 6:16 AM:
" Mury- From what I've read on the MN POST site and along with MN State Statute, an officer has to attend certain classes such as shooting, driving and self defense. So, even though he had 100 hours of training in '07 doesn't mean that in those 100 hours he had training in any of those 3 areas which would count for renewal of his license. I've never heard of an employer complaining that an employee was attending too many training sessions before. In the ever changing area of policing I would think an employer would REQUIRE (especially the chief) training to keep up with the changes. "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 1:18 AM:
" I would encourage all of you to read the city code. Jack, Lee, Barb, Rich, Bruce and Pat, please follow the code that you required to uphold. "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 1:03 AM:
" Part of the ordinance states that the council shall follow "Roberts Rules of Order, revised". Under this provision, yes, the mayor may make a motion BUT, the gavel must be passed to the vice mayor in this case. In viewing the tape of the meeting, no one has seen that gavel be given to Richard Ahrens, the vice mayor. Do not be fooled by this one: Yes, the motion could be made, but, under the Roberts Rules that they follow, they must follow the procedure. Mayor Rain clearly did NOT do this. "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:58 AM:
" Another part of the ordinance states that the City Council shall conduct a performance review, at least annually for the City Clerk. Has this been done? I would be interested in seeing that. "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:54 AM:
" Mury further goes on to state that Mark Dungy has not seen a budget. According to the "city code", the mayor is paid $150 a month and the council gets $100. They all get $25 for a special meeting. This is clearly not a fraction of a penny. We all know that serving in a city government is NOT for the money. Then, please tell me why these 5 men ran? Is it for a "hidden" agenda, a power trip or just because they want to "do good"? "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:52 AM:
" Now, in one of the last comments made by Mury" Mayor and council aren’t getting paid enough for the abuse, negativity and crap that they all have to endure. These people are being paid less than a fraction of a penny an hr for the time they spend to try to right the wrongs that were done by past Mayor and council." "
no name wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:43 AM:
" There are some confusions on the council and how they can operate. Please go to the www.lewistonmn.org site. Click on "city code". Some big points of interest are: Special meetings have to be noticed at LEAST 24 hours to each council person. Simular notice needs to also be given to the media. Think about the timeline here, that means that the special meeting had to have been called hours before the regular meeting. Why would they call a "special" meeting for the following day before the "regular" meeting was even held? "
lexor wrote on Jan 12, 2008 12:32 AM:
" Which one of the council members turn is it this weekend to have Barbie out? "
kt wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:25 PM:
" RE: Mury
Do you know Robbie? Do you have any of the facts of what he has said. In my opinion the WDN has recently decided to become the national enquirer instead of a paper reporting factual news. I don't think that you should make accusations about someone unless you hear a direct quote from them. "
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:47 PM:
" Hey 'mury', how can the Lewiston city council members be earning "...less than a fraction of a penny an hr..." for their time? Huh? First of all, anything less than a whole penny IS a fraction. Second, who'd work for a penny an hour? Third, I think you are a victim of the dreaded Veggie Virus and you don't know it yet... "
spike wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:43 PM:
" so mury...just what has the council fixed that was broken from last councils? I see that they have done nothing but cause alot of trouble for employees, other than that just what have they done, they have made Lewiston a town that no one will want to move to...they have given Lewiston nothing but a black eye. Now tell me what great work will this council be remembered for...actually, the next one is going to have to fix everything that this one has damaged. "
louie wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:20 PM:
" Mury, Yea the mayor can make motions, but first he needs to turn his chair over to a council member...he FAILED to to that. You seem to lack the facts...Where do you get the idea Dungy calls in sick on Mondays? Are you in the office or do you call daily to see what days he is or isn't working? Or better yet, does Hampel call you directly? And how do YOU know the probation status of every violator? Really, cause I want to know how I can become all knowing too. "
mury wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:10 PM:
" Robbie wants to get fired for his boss making him take a class!!!! That is ludicrous…someone needs to grow up and die right. Why is he so scared? Dungy can no longer use, “I’ll fire you as a threat”. He says one thing when he is with him and another when he is not around him. "
mury wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:00 PM:
" Mayor and council aren’t getting paid enough for the abuse, negativity and crap that they all have to endure. These people are being paid less than a fraction of a penny an hr for the time they spend to try to right the wrongs that were done by past Mayor and council. Mark has never seen a budget…he doesn’t even know what a budget looks like. Mandated training is 48 hours of training every three years. He had over 100 in ’07. He gets paid when he is in training and at council meeting…on the clock. Barb cannot authorize training without the council approval. That would be dumb to have a special meeting when he knew more than 30 days ago about this training. "
silentwrite wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:49 PM:
" Seriously, Mayor, City Administrator, Lewiston Council, the Headlines, the Television News, everyone who is anyone...says Officer Dungy was fired....NOW you want to say not"fired", really, just "reprimanded without pay"? Is that your final answer? You have redefined "subordination" and seem to have more than just a little trouble remembering your "line". You have completely undermined your own Police Chief's athority, and you have the audacity to "hint" that he may retain his position? Too bad all of you as a group can't be removed and maybe replaced with people who can be a little more direct. "
mury wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:48 PM:
" Mayor Rain went by the “MN Statues 412.02” when he fired Dungy. Mayors can make a motion or second a motion. "
mury wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:44 PM:
" CT rock: I don’t like the veggie thing because it was in regards to and elderly women that you are making fun off her plight as if it were a childish joke. You are an A_ _. You must have been the most disrespectful person to your own parents and grandparents. GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU. "
mury wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:38 PM:
" Enough already: Drinking with a women on probation for illegal drug. This is not the first time. Why is he always sick on Mondays? "
Me wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:17 PM:
" Should Lewiston change its name to "Veggie Town" out of the "Veggie Tales" video series? "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 4:02 PM:
" rook, you must be new to these parts questioning my maturity. This is a serious issue, the veggie virus I mean, and it demands your attention. Please be more respectful towards the boards. Thanks. (p.s. when will the image verification give us definite differences between the number 1 and the letter L, I get tired of having to re-do my image verification due to this annoying technical glitch) "
rook wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Ct rock enough already on the veggie virus. Grow Up and stop crying
"
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:28 PM:
" I think the Winona Daily News ought to do an in-depth series on this entire Lewiston debacle - including a side bar item featuring a few experts sparring over the legitimacy of the Council meetings, the use of Roberts Rules, the firing of Mr. Dungy, and the activities surrounding Barb Hampel. I want to know what the residents think, and what the business owners think. I also want to know what's behind the Veggie Virus. Did it start in California? That's where much of our lettuce and other produce comes from, you know - and there's something deeply wrong with California... "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:06 PM:
" You mean you can actually watch these council meetings on television? Sounds like a classic youtube.com clip if you ask me. That and the veggie virus, respect the veggie virus. "
B-S wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:59 PM:
" haha all this is just so funny, the mayor did look amish, i'm more curious is to see where TOM is, yesterday he couldn't shut up but as soon as someone talked about his affair he didn't say a word after "
RaRaRoch wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:55 PM:
" I'm wondering how come a police dept needs approval from a city council to do police training required by the State? I saw the meeting on the news and it looked like a hillbilly sitcom gone wrong. Im curious tho is the mayor Amish? looked like it... "
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:45 PM:
" I'm not confused about the training session issue either, 'lewnative4'. I will however ask you to stop 'shouting'. It is really annoying reading things written entirely in CAPS. Thank you. "
drunk wsu student wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:41 PM:
" The end is near. I just saw Dungy eating a salad at a local eatery. I quickly ran up to him with an offering of a variety of succulent donuts. Unfortunately I was too late, the veggie virus had clouded his brain as my offering infuriated him. I narrowly escaped so I could get to a computer to warn my fellow citizens of Winona County. My days are number as Dungy has already seen my face and will surly be comming for me but everyone else can still survive. I will do all I can to hold him back but I'm afraid it won't be enough. Good luck my fellow citizens. "
keep on pilin' wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:34 PM:
" To As I See It--unfortunately the League of Minn Cities was called. The person on the phone made it clear that they are there to support the city administrators and councils to do their jobs, and not there on behalf of citizens. If you have a power hungry group who has Hitler-style tactics, the state attorney general should be involved and so should the county attorney. Good luck with that one- he won't do anything. "
SuzieB wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:22 PM:
" lewnative4 - He DID try to get his training approved! How can 6 days not be enough time to approve a training course? Come on, the council had it in for Mark! They did anything they could to finally get rid of him! The sad thing is over half the town knew of their little plan for months now! "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM:
" You people are completely avoiding the real issue: vegetable addiction. Just because you ignore it and pretend its not happening doesn't mean it will just go away. It's happening if you like it or not. When you start finding yourself dazed and confused in garden naked and chewing on celery in the middle of the night, remember my warning. Dungy is the only way out of this mess. "
lewnative4 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM:
" WHY ARE SOME OF YOU CONFUSED ABOUT THE ISSUE???? IT IS NOT THAT THE OFFICER WENT TO TRAINING. THE ISSUE WAS THAT HIS "BOSSES" (I.E.THE CITY COUNCEL) TOLD HIM TO APPROVE ALL TRAINING THROUGH THE COUNCEL BEFORE....REPEAT...BEFORE...HE WENT. HE DIDN'T EVEN WAIT A MONTH TO GO AGAINST THEIR DIRECTIVE. I THINK HE WANTED TO BE FIRED,,,DUH "
jw wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:56 PM:
" FYI - The League of MN Cities is not an agency that can control anything, there are a consulting agency. The have no authority and the council takes them as GOD! If the League the way for the Council, maybe they should read their handbooks better. "
louie wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:53 PM:
" So instead of the council members claiming, "these public mtgs are OUR meetings, the citizens are only hear to listen"--NOT TRUE!!!!!! The mtgs are also for the public to participate. So LET THEM! It is obvious the council cannot make responsible decisions...on their own. "
as i see it wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:46 PM:
" Jack says he makes decisions on what the public wants. Whats he smoking that he doesn't hear what they want. People of the commissions (Police-Ambulance-Planning-) resign then maybe they will get the point. Then you can get back on after the elections if you really want. This may give the council a better chance to micro-manage. May even prove a point that they are idiots. Where are the cameras when these private meetings are being held? Get ahold of the leaque of cities to stop this crap and come here and monitor these meetings. Tax payers have got to be heard and why the Winona Post as official paper. Unbelieveable!!!! "
louie wrote on Jan 11, 2008 1:46 PM:
" ok, the council always claims they follow the league rules and info-right? Then why in the Wed mtg when Rain read the letter prior to firing Dungy, did he NOT turn turn his duties over to a council member, then make the motion? Hmmmm.can we say VIOLATION!The league handbook states-(in the citizen involvement section), citizens attend mtgs to give the council information to consider..when speaking individual council members should NOT argue with citizens. Maybe the council needs to revisit their own guidelines, instead of skewing the rules to whatever suits them. "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:30 PM:
" "JUST WHO IS POLICING THE VEGGIE VIRUS" ...would be a more important and suitable title for the events yet to come ... "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:28 PM:
" curls how do you know I'm not from Lewiston and even if I wasn't from there, what right do you have to tell me not to warn you about the veggie virus that is consuming your town? Do I have to physically live in Lewiston to care about a dangerous vegetable addiction spreading across the great state of Minnesota? The veggie virus is no joke and my location of shelter, be it in Lewiston or across the seas in no man's land, shouldn't effect my commentary in here. Instead of lashing out and causing conflict, why not instead heed my warning and start barricading your refrideratos in case an infect veggie junkie comes bursting into your home looking for a fix? "
curls wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:17 PM:
" First off, CT you are not from Lewiston. It is not necessary to make those kinds of comments. Secondly, I don't understand why someone was fired because they attended training. That is silly! I hope the citizens of Lewiston do take action and get rid of this counsel! "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:37 AM:
" Your out of order could you please reword that run-on sentence in a manner that makes sense because it was so long and hard to understand that no one in their right mind could ever understand what you could've possibily meant by your long run on sentence that went on and on and on and on and on to the point of losing all comprehension of your original point that really never made any sense to begin with and i think you should maybe go back to school and learn how to properly write in a manner that is comprehensible to everyone that reads this because its for the best. "
ENOUGH ALREADY wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:33 AM:
" Good job City Counsel. By the way tell Dungy the next time he sits in a bar and drinks with someone on probation who isn't supposed to be drinking, he might want to do his job and have HER hauled in. "
Your out of order wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:22 AM:
" robbie gave this letter about the training a week before the training. isnt she marks boss shouldnt she beable to say yes or no to attend the training? if the training was needed to stay an officer how do they not go? If she didnt know what to say she could have called a meeting for monday and decide if the training was ok or not but no they couldnt do that just blame him saying it was not enough time sorry this is not right "
Your out of order wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:18 AM:
" Barb is dungy boss and robbie wrote the letter a week in advance is barb not dungy boss so why cant she appove this training or call in the members to talk about this it was give a week in advance come on barb you wanted mark to talk to you about the training and go through you now he/ robbie did and now you are firing him come on this is not right "
louie wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:03 AM:
" Just an observation, but isn't it interesting the council can have a mtg the NEXT day after Dungy's firing, but they could not come up with ANY time to meet in 6 DAYS to approve a mandated training. HMMMM... sounds like they just waited in order to have ammmo to use in firing Dungy. WOW! "
Goober wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:27 AM:
" EMERGENCY CLOSED Meeting? MN law is very explicit as to what constitutes a closed meeting and the requirements for open meetings. The Council can decide themselves what is an emergency, but the fact that an issue is controversial does NOT allow a legal closed meeting. Make them follow the law. File a complaint. See Minn. Stat. ch. 13D.
MN statute (13.02) also defines public data, not public data, nonpublic data, etc. A City Council discussing, on TV, the job evaluation of an employee is more than problematic.
Are you guys anywhere on TV? You Tube?
Where is Lewiston; just yonder from Hooterville?
"
Chuck wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:26 AM:
" If Barb is capable of administration, she should be able to approve training. Jan. 3rd is sufficient time for Barb to approve, wonder if the council has to hold her hand while she goes to the bathroom. "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:22 AM:
" Dungy is the hero of the tale yet to be told. When the town is overrun by veggie junkies and everyone is looking for answers, Dungy will come back with an arsenal of moves, skills, and weaponary to combat them. He's experienced it himself and knows how to handle it personally. He will not only save the town, but also put himself back in the good graces of Lewiston. Rumor has it that the council purposefully disposed of Dungy because they have vested interest in this veggie craze and they know he can stop it. Perhaps Barb and the council are the leaders or distributors of this veggie virus, and now with Dungy out of the picture they can expand this operation with no opposition. "
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:04 AM:
" I just can't get over the concept of firing someone because they WENT to a training session. Many employers have a hard time getting their staff to GO to training programs. That's why I'm only going to pay attention to the veggie thievery (and mass consumption) situation from now on. The rest of it is more than I can bear... "
Lydia wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:59 AM:
" If I have this right, the city council gets a stipend every time they meet, right? So they need to meet to approve training and even have a special meeting to approve it if it's not part of the regular meeting? Sounds like a waste of money to me. Do they have to meet about every little thing? If the police are not going over their training budget, what does the city council care what they do? It sounds like petty nitpicking to me. I worked with Mark awhile ago in a different area and he was great to work with. "
Ezzee wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:34 AM:
" First of all, just because the Mayor says that doesn't mean that it is fact. Also, how precise Robert's Rules of Order is followed can be another matter as well, for as I'm sure you are well aware, people violate Robert's Rules of Order all the time, and not necessarily on purpose. Finally, I go back to my original point in which according to Roberts Rules, in a smaller assembly or committee, such as a City Council, the chair can make and second motions at his own discretion. It is advised that he doesn't, but he has the ability to. "
Rufus wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:09 AM:
" oh no Lee would tho. "
Rufus wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:09 AM:
" Ezzee- If you watch or attend any of the meetings Mayor Rain states that the meetings follow the Roberts Rules of Order. If this is truly the case then Mayor Rain is in violation. Then again Barb runs the meetings and tells him what to do and say. How moist is Barb, would steve know?? "
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:00 AM:
" That's a whole lot of fiber intake there, CT. It'll cause trouble in the end... "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:55 AM:
" Ok, while you all bicker and complain about the trivial politics of the town, the veggie virus is spreading. You won't notice it until it has a hold of you and you're suddenly craving cabbage and lettuce no matter what the costs. You'll max out your credit cards and empty your bank account on vegetables! Your home will reek of vegetables juices and you'll see green stains all across your precious attire and furniture. When you're in a veggie binge you won't bother to wash your hands or take a shower because your mind will be solely focused on where to get the next veggie fix. You'll become a shadow of your former self and your flesh will even take on a green tint from over indulging in veggies. It's no joke people, and all your bickering amongst yourselves will be your downfall. "
rook wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:43 AM:
" After the council called the state patrol, because of fear. they headed down to one of the local bars to have one of those special meetings.. If they were in such fear to call the cops why would they head to a public place like that. sounds like miss use of the cops "
Sonny wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:36 AM:
" Maybe Dungy is being fired for going to the training without approval because he has a history of not doing what he is told by his bosses. Maybe Floerke wasn't fired because his boss, Dungy, approved his going to the training. Dungy screwed up, not Floerke. I don't believe the Sheriff's Dept can refuse to answer calls for help in Lewiston. Brand lives in the town, he's going to take care of the people. "
lograham wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:34 AM:
" There ya go, Robbie is leaving. Oops, I forgot, it was mentioned in a previous blog that he would probably stay if offered. WRONG "
keep on pilin' wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:23 AM:
" Well said, Spike--what have they done? Infuriate constituents!! Here is what I would like to see at a meeting sometime fellas--bring up an issue and THEN have a discussion about it. I would like to know what Jack's opinion is and why. Same with the rest of them. Instead, everyone looks down shuffles papers, a motion is made, seconded and it passes. That screams to everyone watching--WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE AND MADE OUR DECISION. That is not the way city council works boys. You discuss it so each and everyone of you takes responsibility for your decision and your vote. Hiding behind your group consensus done in private and off camera is chicken sh**, bad politics and makes you a very mistrustful lot. Where are these meetings being held and decisions made? That is illegal. "
CT Rock wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:22 AM:
" What about the veggie virus? Isn't that the true concern? These veggie junkies are still out there devouring greens like there is no tomorrow, and right now there isn't anyone to stop them! This bad Lewiston, real bad. You'll be lucky to survive through the weekend with this veggie virus spreading through every nook and cranny. Dungy was the only force you had that knew how to stop it, he's been a victim of it, knows its tricks, and has a passion to stop it in its tracks before it tears your town apart! "
El Uno wrote on Jan 11, 2008 8:09 AM:
" I want to hear more about this dirt that rufus has on Tom.....please give details and don't be affraid to use the word "moist" "
spike wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:55 AM:
" If the big dig would have been done, then some of the streets would be fixed now,right, plus when a city fixes they have to have engineering fees before doing the job duh, so, the previous councils did try and fix, but the people spoke up and didn't want this done, obviously that council listened to the people, which is more than what this council does, plus previous councils didn't micromanage like this one does, and so, what has this council done to fix the streets? What has this council actually done besides rid the people of staff that was set in place and were good people, they have spent more money and time in getting rid of people with lawyer fees, ads etc.So now, what have they done to fix everything that previous councils have not done? "
secure110 wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:50 AM:
" This is better than the clown club in Winona. The Citizens of Lewiston Need to get a petition and remove these clowns. NOW! They are an embarrassment to not only the city, but the county and state. Roberts Rules of Order does not allow the mayor to make any motion. This shows that the Mayor truly does not know what he is doing. Lewiston had no problems until Kanz, Patric Burns, Ahrens, boynton, Rain and Humple got in to the city picture. A fresh start would be good. "
Ezzee wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:42 AM:
" If the assembly is large enough, bob435jay, you are correct. However, in assemblies that are not large assemblies, or smaller assemblies and committees, it is perfectly fine for the chair of a meeting to make motions according to Robert's Rules of Order. Does the Lewiston City Charter or anything say that the City Council run by Roberts Rules of Order? Otherwise it may be a mute point. A lot of government entities do not necessarily run by the Book of Bob. "
rufus wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:30 AM:
" bob-you are correct, the mator has to cede the power over to someone else in this case richie . But he never formely did. I watched the tape twice and it WAS NOT DONE> He did let Richie give Mark his suspension but NEVER did he give control of the meeting over to him. THe mayor can not do what he did. Barb threw some type of paper out there stated he can but HE CAN NOT DO THIS. "
LR wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:57 AM:
" So, if I understand everything correctly. The police officers cannot attend any training without council approval? What if they paid for and attended the training on their own time? And why was one officer reprimanded and not the other? Seems as if they have an agenda to rid the town of the one officer and will do anything and everything to ensure that happens. "
rvtraveler wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:53 AM:
" There are a lot of homes for sale in Lewiston. Who is their right mind would want to move to a town that is managed in this way. I wouldn't take a house there as a gift. "
bob435jay wrote on Jan 11, 2008 4:34 AM:
" Just an observation here, the story says the mayor made a motion to dimisss. Roberts Rules of Order does not allow the chair to make motions. The motion has to come from the floor with a second in order to be voted on and the chair could vote to break a tie. "
PerfectStranger wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:42 AM:
" Here's a concept - quit speculating and wait until this situation sorts itself out. I'm as interested in the outcome as the next person, but what's the point in bickering about it? Retract your claws and wait for the news to come. I know, I've commented about this situation as well, but I have avoided stating anything as fact, because I just don't know the facts. I am not directly involved in this. Sure, I'd love to have accurate information or to know first-hand what the truth is. I just don't see the point of bickering here... "
Tom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:56 AM:
" Adam, your comments about the current council has been the issue for many years. Go back one mayor and council members. I never understood why they even had council meetings. Everything was cut and dried long before the meetings even took place. The rec was the meeting grounds at the time. Where was your voice of informed information at that time Adam? You talk about the thousands wasted, do you recall the big dig Adam? Well over $130,000 spent on engineering fees. Did Lewiston benifit one cent from that money? Adam, point is your issue with the current council isn't new, but your voice is, why now and why this approach? "
Adam wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:28 AM:
" RE: Tom...I have no doubt that Lewiston will adapt, overcome, and survive. It makes me sick to see this council make reactive, on the spot decisions that cost all of us thousands of dollars without ant forethought. They seek no advice, ignore all citizen input, and complete the agenda that they predetermined before stepping into the council chambers. I am, believe it or not, an optomist, but sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear but reality sucks! You are obviously here for the sake of argument and not truly concerned with what is going on. I hoped to provide some insight and factual information for all to use in their position, be it on either side. Take it and do with it what you will... "
Tom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:22 AM:
" Nice Adam, make jokes about a burglery. Nice comment Adam, promote crime. I bet if the alarm does go off they will be there to do the job. Oh and they won't have Lewiston to call as a back up. Adam they never did! "
Adam wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:18 AM:
" OK Tom, here is a quote from above..
"Sheriff Dave Brand said he didn’t have enough manpower to simply put a deputy in Lewiston but would assist in anything “major,” such as felonies or car accidents."
Oh yea...and alarm calls for TOM!!
"
Tom wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:12 AM:
" No lawsuit, no money. Good bye Dungy. Hire or promote. We even have the county sheriff on board a little bit. Sounds like Lewiston will be okay. Hmmmm what will ya all complain about now? "
garth wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:04 AM:
" sounds like the policy only applies to the ones the council wants to fire. that's great ammo in the lawsuit DUngy will no-doubt win against these knuckleheads "
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