charlatan wrote on Dec 28, 2007 8:35 PM:
" Even more amusing how you lack the ability to post without labeling other people. "
molerat wrote on Dec 28, 2007 4:55 PM:
" It's amusing to observe pointless liberal ramblings decay into a total loss of intelligent communications and personal attacks. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 28, 2007 4:05 PM:
" Nice guess. I just TOLD you that I'm relatively new here. Not so new that I don't have experience to draw upon, however. "
El Uno wrote on Dec 28, 2007 12:13 PM:
" I'm going to guess that charlatan is new here....so niave with his/her commom sense and reasoning. That garbage doesn't fly here! We make bold statements with no regard for facts and that's how it's going to stay. If you want a sensible argument join a debate team! "
charlatan wrote on Dec 28, 2007 10:02 AM:
" Sage advice from J.D. for all involved. Perhaps some of my posts did not come off that way, but when faced with ignorance, I'll respond in a way that only ignorance can understand. (Once again, heed my quote from Bertrand Russell.) On a completely honest note here...I've lived in Winona since August. Worked here one year longer. I am completely dismayed by the public's knee-jerk response of jumping all over people. Winonans...please, give people a chance and quit the witch hunts. In all aspects of this community. Partisan crap, anti-school district bull...give it a rest and maybe your community and children will benefit. "
El Uno wrote on Dec 28, 2007 9:35 AM:
" molerat - don't forget about her being a woman! Tree huggin female hippies...... "
J.D. wrote on Dec 28, 2007 9:24 AM:
" Trymaleagain ~ I can assure you that I do know the meaning of the word charlatan and would prefer associating with an open minded person regardless of their screen name than someone, like yourself, who cannot handle a simple debate because they are not always right. Sorry that's just the way life is...Maybe if you would think outside the box for once, you would find a whole new way of looking at life...Good luck with that.... "
molerat wrote on Dec 28, 2007 7:52 AM:
" Aren't we all missing the real point here? Pfielsticker's greatest problem is that she is a raving mad liberal. "
bart wrote on Dec 28, 2007 7:48 AM:
" Re:returntosanity wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:01 AM:
returntosanity the only time it is an issue with Republicans is if it is Democrat or a gay Republican, Republicans want Larry Craigs head on a platter yet did not call for David Vitters resignation. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:01 PM:
" CaptnTony. Well-thought response. Thank you.
Trymaleagain...interesting that you admittedly had to look up "charlatan" and then blasted someone else for their lack of knowledge. What I would enjoy, is responsible and intelligent feedback. Not attacks. (See CaptnTony for a sample.) I promise the same in response.
I'm reminded of a relevant quote:
A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
~ Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:58 PM:
" (sigh) Trymaleagain...I assure you that my chosen screen name was a direct reflection of my opinion of you. I chose the username by selecting a synonym of "hypocrite." I did not have this username until I began to read your posts and felt that I just needed to smack you about a bit. It is not at all a reflection of myself. It is a symbol of you, and all of the other stone-throwers in these posts and in this town. Those of the "holier-than-thou" persuasion. J.D....I understand what you are saying and I listen to the whole message instead of only what I want to hear. How nice if others would choose to do the same. "
CaptnTony wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:57 PM:
" charlatan: First, don't know who Mischa Barton is, but seems her alcoholism is VERY WIDELY publicised and discussed (even saw it on msn.com). Second, the two charged in Winona County are shameful too, and I'm disappointed in their decision making as well. To my knowledge, they aren't looking to become part of the gov't which makes the matter 'non-public' so not the same as case in point. Thirdly, good to know about Gaithersburg...when he is up for re-election, please submit a letter to the editor in his area so voters can discuss the issue before re-electing him. Glad someone is watching! Lastly, the sport figures: They not only have to pay a fine, upon conviction, but also have their employers/league officers/union enforce their policies by fining and/or suspending the offender. That_analogy_doesn't_look_good_for_Ms._Pfeilsticker,_as_it_seems_you_want_her_suspended_or_paying_a_fine_for_breach_of_her_code_of_conduct_provision(if_they_exist). I_look_forward_to_seeing_what_'accepting responsibilty'_means_in_her_eyes-that_will_be_a_serious_determining_factor_in_my_opinion_of_the_situation. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:47 PM:
" RU serious please visit http://www.liq.wa.gov/PriceBook/bac_page.asp. Maybe I didn't interpret the facts correctly. You seem to be an expert on drinking, so maybe we should just take your word as gospel. J.D. look up what a Charlatan is in the dictionary and see if you still want him as your buddy. This has been a fun day, but I really must turn my attentions to something or someone that is actually productive. Ta! Ta! "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:26 PM:
" Charlatan ~ Thank you for seeing exactly what i was saying....Nice to know someone else sees this in an open minded sensible way.....God I thought I was the only one with any common sense....Once again - Thanks! "
RUSerious wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:22 PM:
" Dear trymalewhatever... first, you'd better ckeck your math. It is absolutely FALSE that a 160 lb woman would have to drink six drinks in one hour to be .15... I know this is high math, but the body processes alcohol slowly, so you could drink two drinks an hour for three hours, or one really stiff drink an hour over a span of time, and then figure in food or the lack of it... duh. At least check your facts before spewing. Oh wait- those don't matter. Silly me. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:53 PM:
" Charlatan, get control man! Take some anger management courses. Try deep breathing. It will all be over soon. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 6:48 PM:
" Last I knew, teaching right from wrong was supposed to be a parental responsibility. So use this as a learning opportunity. I'm sure if a teacher tried to "teach" things to your children that you didn't agree with, you'd jump all over them. Now, all of a sudden, you want the teachers to be "lessons of life" instructors as well. WAY too many parents that suck at being parents. Quit blaming the teachers for your shortcomings. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 6:11 PM:
" Alcoholic football player!!!
Denver Broncos quarterback Darrell Hackney has been arrested for suspicion of DUI, according to KUSA-TV in Denver, Colorado.
Even basketball! This man is not fit to own a team that children watch because he is teaching the wrong lessons!
Los Angeles Lakers owner Jerry Buss, 74, was a no-show at the Lakers season opening game in Houston, Texas, reportedly because he was serving a two-game suspension for a DUI conviction in May. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 5:55 PM:
" Alcoholic in politics!!! Everyone grab a stone!!!
We knew it would happen eventually: a politician who supported tougher DUI laws arrested for breaking the very law he helped to write. This guy, however, is the House Majority Leader since 1993: Kumar Barve. Gaithersburg police arrested Barve after he exited a parking lot through a gate marked "entrance only." The lawmaker admitted to having two drinks and was reportedly found to have a blood alcohol content of .10, which is above the legal limit in Maryland of .08. He was charged with DUI, driving while impaired, failure to obey a traffic device, and failure to drive right of the center line. Barve sponsored the DUI bill that changed the legal drinking limit from .10 to .08. "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 5:53 PM:
" Just doing my civic duty. Alcoholic alert! Likely drug dealer in our midst!
For Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2007 Winona Saturday 2:54 a.m. — Police cited Shannon xxxxx XxXxxx, 22, of Winona for misdemeanor drunken driving and possession of a small amount of marijuana.
Winona Dec. 6 1:32 a.m. — Police cited Brian Xxxxx Xxxxxx, 20, of Winona for misdemeanor drunken driving... "
charlatan wrote on Dec 27, 2007 5:49 PM:
" What a hoot. Hypocrisy reigns. Kingdom of Trymaleagain. Seems many people are making legitimate discussion points. Several are hypocrites and shouting loudly in order to drown out the others (perhaps with fingers stuck in ears as well). Close-minded stone-throwers from glass houses.
By the way, newsflash...Mischa Barton is an alcoholic! http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/27/people.mischabarton.ap/index.html?eref=ib_topstories "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 4:30 PM:
" Try ~ Never once did I say she should not be held accountable for her actions. Re-read my posts. It appears everyone is on a witch hunt with this woman. I seem to recall another teacher getting a DUI and it was under the Police Blotter. No one said a word about that, but just because the media chose to sensationalize this because of her political affiliation, we are having this conversation.
Your hypothetical situation about losing a loved one is a mute point and has nothing to do with the current issue at hand. I just said she was human and made a mistake. What if every mistake you made is publicized and people were critical of you because of your job? This doesn't mean she is not fit to teach or run the country (c'mon if Clinton and Bush can do it...) it means she is human!
"
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 1:58 PM:
" El Uno - I absolutely believe people under great stress can make rational observations. If you killed my partner, although very distraught, I would be aware you were the murderer. DAH! Instead of calling this a trap, perhaps we should call it what it is -situation ethics. J.D. labels all of us holding Pfeilsticker accountable for her drunkeness "closed minded". However with a different hypothetical outcome, J.D. refuses to answer my question. A perfect example of situation ethics. As long as no one got hurt it is no big deal, right? However, change the outcome and J.D. has no retort. This will be interesting to watch how her school district and her political party react to this teacher/candidate. Will we see situation ethics show it's ugly face again? Stay tuned . . . . "
El Uno wrote on Dec 27, 2007 1:24 PM:
" Trymaleagain - do you think that someone who has lost a loved one would be of sound mind to make a rational observation of the situation that took the person they cared about? Neither did I. So wouldn't that make your little hypothetical that was posed to J.D. just an immature trap to get an irrational answer? Most of us are concerned with what she DID, not with what she could have done. "
CT Rock wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:59 AM:
" You do the time for the crime. End of discussion. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:44 AM:
" J.D. thankfully Pfeilsticker did not take a life that night. Let's say for a minute, she had. Let's say it was a family member of your's. Would Linda's reasoning and excuse of "I made a mistake and had a moment of poor judgement" be enough for you? OR would you be closed minded like the rest of us and feel this alcohol abuser needs help? We are not quick to condemn - we are concerned about the safety of others and for Linda herself. Now answer the question J.D. - if it was your loved one would you still be "open minded"? "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:43 AM:
" To: Get things right ~ I didn't realize that WSHS had a class on drinking and driving? She is a Social Studies teacher, I doubt that the woes of drinking and driving is in her curriculum....And for you to say you wouldn't let her teach your kids is a ridiculous, closed minded statement. Grow up.... "
Call Me Clueless wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:34 AM:
" Call me out-of-the-loop, but I don't yet know of other teachers who've gotten DUI's. Sure some of them have probably screwed up and others will do so in the future, along with all the non-teachers in the world. But please, let's not call it a "mistake." OOPS! I'm with yarnevik. It's a bad decision. No excuses. I've been wasted and stupid in my life, but if you know something is wrong to your core, you won't do it with a .30 blood-alcohol level. I never committed arson, stole, or drove drunk. You see, we can't make excuses like "it was a mistake...we all make mistakes..." in front of the kids. It was a terribly poor and potentially dangerous decision...completely irresponsible. That being said, I have supported this woman's political aspirations. I'm simply disturbed by her way of trying to explain herself. "
get things right wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:14 AM:
" Yes, she made a mistake, in my book a huge mistake. She could have killed someone. And I would not allow my children in her classroom now. What kind of person teaches that it's wrong to drink and drive and then goes and does it herself? Practice what you teach or don't teach. "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:10 AM:
" You guys are quick to condemn me that you aren't seeing my point. I'm saying this woman is human and made a mistake and you guys think she should be locked up for life, lose her job and be put in the stockades for everyone who is a perfect as all you, to stone. It is ridiculous. You are all being very narrow minded. She has owned up to her mistake, let it go. From what I understand, she is a fine teacher, and may make a good political figure, but because of people like you, we may never know. This isn't about me, my life or credibility, it's about persecuting someone who made a mistake, let it go. By the way CT, I'm a she, not a he..... "
CT Rock wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:52 AM:
" J.D. doesn't have much credibility, I wouldn't concern yourself with him. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:43 AM:
" How would J.D. know teachers kept liquor in their desks? Why wouldn't J.D. have done the right thing and turned them in? This is the real definition of closed minded. J.D. is obviously an enabler to this drinker. Anyone who has an alcoholic in the family knows there is always a person(s) who enables the abuse to continue. They never really get the drinker/abuser the help they need. They are too busy covering up the problems. Oh by the way, Rep. Drazkowski always claimed his innocense and was found innocent by a jury of his peers. Pfeilsticker publicly admitted her guilt. You can't equate the two. Nice try though! "
get things right wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:41 AM:
" There are many of us that drink and don't drive and never have. If I go out, I make sure I have cab money for the ride home since I don't trust that there will always be a non-drinker in the group. My kids don't drink and drive either and I know this for a fact. So, there is no reason why anyone needs to drink and drive when there are so many of us that don't.
Take a cab, or don't drink at all. Why is drinking so important anyway? "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:21 AM:
" Well Yarnivek, you are the perfect one in the world. I can tell you that growing up in Winona there have been several teachers who have had DUI's. There are even some who kept bottles in their desks during school hours years ago. I don't think it will cost her any votes. Unless there are sooo many closed minded people, like you, who fault a person for making one mistake. How many mistakes can/will you own up to in your lifetime? C'mon get real? It's a DUI. Is it wrong? Yes. Look around and see the people who get DUI's in Winona. There are corporate leaders, college students and regular people, should they all be condemned because they aren't as perfect as you and made a decision to drive after a few? It doesn't mean they can't make any more decisions ever in their lifetime.... "
yarnivek wrote on Dec 27, 2007 10:10 AM:
" JD: I've NEVER driven while intoxicated. EVER. It may be the stupidest thing a person can do. I would be willing to bet that very few teachers in Winona have received a DUI. I think we would have heard about it through this newspaper. Pfeilsticker might as well drop out of the race. If she seriously thinks this isn't going to cost her tons of votes, she's kidding herself. Does she seriously think her opponent won't make it an issue? "
molerat wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:48 AM:
" 0.17, man she was wasted! "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:47 AM:
" Integrity in a public office? That's a new one! If we elected on integrity, there would be no one in office. It is my understanding that anyone who goes out and has more than 5 drinks in one night is considered a binge drinker. Well, that includes a lot of us. Let's look at our politicians...Does the name Kennedy ring a bell? I believe he is still in office. Lets get a little closer to home...Drazkowski? Wshat he was accused of is far worse than a DUI. You can all sit atop your high non-alcohol horses and lay blame to a woman who made a mistake, but make sure your doorstep is swept off before you do. "
The Squarehead wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:45 AM:
" I blame global warming. "
PerfectStranger wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:44 AM:
" Years ago a friend of mine was involved in a 'mock DUI' project in which participants (all 21 and over) blew into a Breathalyzer shortly after each drink they took. She got to .15 much faster than she thought she would, and on fewer drinks than she expected. She wasn't a regular drinker. She was about 5' 7" and probably 140 lbs. The IMPORTANT thing is this - she DID NOT feel like she was too drunk to drive - even though she blew a .15, which at that time was one-and-a-half times the legal limit in Minnesota. However, nobody should drive even after only a FEW drinks. "
shop/ebay wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:41 AM:
" The point is, some people are not allowed to make that kind of mistake. And a teacher running for public office is one of them.
If you overlook this, you are telling the students that it is an ok thing to do. "
returntosanity wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:40 AM:
" Actually cjs as a recovering alcholic with 15 years sober myself I think I am ably qualified to make a decison about her drinking problem. People that drink to that excess have a drinking problem. I hope that she gets the help that she needs before her life really does become a shambles. As to my point of if this would be a national news story I think you only need to look to the major headline of the last few months to know that I am correct on that score also. "
cjs1219 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:13 AM:
" Yes, politicians do make a choice to have their lives become public. Teachers do not. The headline refers to her job as a teacher. Teaching is not a profession considered in the public eye. Much of the conversation here has centered around her role as a teacher. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 9:02 AM:
" Your right CT Rock, sorry. Let's keep our focus on the real fool. "
CT Rock wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:56 AM:
" Just pipe down kids, you're making fools of yourselves in front of the town. Silence your tongues and save your dignity. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:38 AM:
" I must have struck a nerve with cjs1219. Sorry honey, I didn't write the definitions of binge drinking. Look them up for yourself. The article is not about me it is about a woman who made a decision to drink heavily and drive AFTER she made a decision to run for public office. Policitians are held under the microscope. The public and media do this so the candidate with the most integrity gets elected. It is part of the political process. So nice try cjs1219 to attempt to turn this back on me. Who I am is non-relevant. "
cjs1219 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:29 AM:
" So now you think I condone binge drinking, I condone drunk driving and I don't realize how badly such a situation could turn out. Wrong, wrong....and wrong. What else do you know about me? No, how about we find out about you? Please, tell us every wrong choice you have made in your life so that we can publicly pick you apart. I'm all set. (That's the beauty of these little forums, isn't it? Everyone can rip into a person's character at will because you are safe and sound behind your little usernames and keyboards. No one gets to judge YOUR life.) "
CT Rock wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:29 AM:
" It happens. Leave her alone. Vote for her. "
Trymaleagain wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:24 AM:
" If cjs1219 would do some research instead of mudslinging, it would learn that at .15 a driver is 25 times more likely to crash and for a woman of 160 lbs. to blow a .17 Pfeilsticker was downing approximately 6 drinks an hour. That is a drink every 10 mins. This is not about poor choices,this is about binge drinking. The same binge drinking that recently cost a young student their life in Winona. If Pfeilsticker would have hit one of her students and killed them instead of hitting the ditch, cjs1219 couldn't be crying "good role model" and "poor choices", she would be defending a murderer! You are right cjs1219, this isn't about politics, this is about a woman who by the grace of God did not kill that night. She is a danger to herself, her students, and needs HELP! "
cjs1219 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:12 AM:
" Here are my missing "s" and "o". (IE crashed right in the middle. My bad.) "
cjs1219 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:11 AM:
" Way to make it a political issue. Rep or Dem, it would NEVER be a national news item. Seriously, get off your pedastal and quit making it such a partisan issue. It's not. It's about personal reponsibility. I seriously do not understand how a DUI indicates someone has a drinking problem. It indicates a por choice made on that night. You have NO idea if this person, or any other, has ever made that choice before. PURE speculation. (Now continue with your witch hunt.) "
returntosanity wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:02 AM:
" Continued: See here's the difference even though you will refuse to see it. President Bush got help for his problem and hasn't had a drink in nearly 20 years he can now make better decisions (although I agree with you that he has made plenty of poor ones). Ms. Pfeilsticker has not admitted to her problem which she obviously has. My problem with her is not that she got a DUI yes they happen and she should pay for it and move on. My problem is that if it were a Republican it would be a national news story and immediatly her life and career would have to be ruined in order for proper ammends to be made. The hypocricy of you liberals is what gets me and yet its what you liberals accuse conservatives of. "
returntosanity wrote on Dec 27, 2007 8:01 AM:
" That's funny Bart thank you for proving my point. When President Bush got his DUI it was 30 years before the election and was still a national news story because he had gotten a DUI 30 years previously. Liberals everywhere were screaming for his immediate conncession speech to Tree Hugger Gore. "
Bart wrote on Dec 27, 2007 7:41 AM:
" You should read Stan "the neocon" Gudmundson's letter about Linda in todays paper. He slams her but yet voted for Dumbya who did the same thing and continued to drink until he was 40 not once but twice. "
cjs1219 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 7:40 AM:
" Once again the meatheads fail to see the lesson in the situation. Taking personal responsibility for poor choices, owning up to them and accepting the consequences. Once again, you fail to realize that those are the marks of a GOOD role model. As opposed to the numerous parents that fail to teach these important qualities to their children. People with these qualities are just the sort who should be teaching and who should be directing public policy. As one poster said, we all mistakes. How do we react to those mistakes? "
J.D. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 7:19 AM:
" Wow! Don't you guys think you're being a litle hard on the woman? I mean c'mon, do you really think she is the first teacher in Winona to get a DUI? She certainly wouldn't be the first Government Official to do it. Like there isn't anyone on here who hasn't had a couple drinks too many and gotten behind the wheel? If we condemned every teacher for doing something wrong, we wouldn't have many teachers left. She made a mistake, admitted to it, now we need to let it go. It wouldn't be a big deal except the media chose to make it one. Look how many people get a DUI's. Should they all lose their jobs and credibility? I am not condoning it, I just think we should let it go. "
returntosanity wrote on Dec 27, 2007 7:15 AM:
" Why is this woman still in the race? If she were a Republican every Democrat in the country would be screaming for her immediate withdrawl from the race and it would be a national news story. Since she's a liberal Democrat though it's a "mistake" and everything is fine because she appologized. A bunch of malarky in my opinion. She should immediately withdraw from the race and resign her teaching position. That's what she'd insist on if it were her opponent or any other Republican in the same predicament. "
ssnuffy wrote on Dec 27, 2007 5:44 AM:
" And she was " forthcoming " for damage control. But the tragedy will be that itz all good cuz boozin is socially excepted .This gal should not be allowed in any classroom until she proves she has her head on streight. Our teachers need to be paid well! But they need to be held to a very high standard to guarentee quality Education for the young. "
yarnivek wrote on Dec 26, 2007 11:50 PM:
" This is why kids drink and drive. Their "role models" do it. Anyone who gets behind the wheel of an automobile while drunk is stupid. It's not a mistake. It's a bad decision. You have no business teaching our children and you certainly have no business making laws if these are the decisions you make. "
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