WSUalum00 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 12:00 PM:
" Wolfram....WSU isn't big enough to have a national reputation for anything (mabye Div II basketball). Get a clue! You're thinking of the much larger Mankato, St. Cloud or UW Madison... "
im real smrat wrote on Dec 26, 2007 11:22 PM:
" did you folks JUST jump on the "america train" or what. getting real drunk and not using your brain has been an american tradition since... forever. if stupid people didnt die for stupid reasons, what would you people read and then gossip and rant about everyday? "
Me wrote on Dec 24, 2007 8:41 AM:
" Do you want to know where our attitude toward drinking comes from? Take a look at the Sunshine Ads in today's paper. There is a picture of a toddler with a Bud up to her mouth and a caption of now being of legal age. Our attitudes, in part, come from our parents and we can't hold educators in our community soley responsible. I'm disappointed the WDN would have printed such a picture in light of the recent death of one of our community members. Is this photo of child neglect? "
Joe Winona wrote on Dec 23, 2007 8:14 PM:
" I will be the first to admit that I ain't as young as springtime anymore, but I sure as chuck ain't ready to get my AARP Card. I went to university here in Minnesota, in a town very similar to Winona, and way back when, you never read in the papers, or watched on TV the accounts of young people dropping dead from drinking too much alcohol, like we have now.
Yeah,Okay,College has been a big drinking culture for years, but something (what?) has changed that since then..Why? I think one reason is young adults are excused too quickly from their irresponsible behaviors..and those excuses start long before these kids are extended the opportunities to act like resposible young adults.Who issues those excuses? Got a guess? "
Young Vet wrote on Dec 23, 2007 11:44 AM:
" Winona State does have a reputation as a drinking school. However, so does every other college in America! College is a drinking environment. If you're naive enough to believe that there is a college that isn't a drinking school, well you need to come out of your protective bubble. And honestly, Winona is a drinking town. There's what, 5-7 college bars...how many townie bars are there???? A whole lot more. Sadly, this death will result in changes for a few months, until she is forgotten and people go back to their drinking ways... "
Me wrote on Dec 23, 2007 10:57 AM:
" I meant "drinking school" "
Me wrote on Dec 23, 2007 10:56 AM:
" Erv- Can you site your source that WSU has a national reputation for being a drinking source? "
graceling wrote on Dec 22, 2007 5:54 PM:
" There’s no such thing as a safe or appropriate amount of alcohol for everyone, as alcohol affects individuals differently, and the speed of drinking & whether food is consumed also play a role. By definition, more than two drinks within two hours is considered binge-drinking, so I hope we can all learn from this tragedy - each life is precious, and it's not worthwhile to lose it to such momentary "indulgence". "
Emil wrote on Dec 22, 2007 5:09 PM:
" Its amazing the assumptions being made on this board. Everyone wants to blame someone else. One life has been lost, a trajedy and soon one or two thers shall have their life interrupted. Easy to say friends should have stepped up, hindsight is such a wonderful tool and gift. We have an older generation refusing to accept responsibility for the system they created. we have another generation that seemingly lacks compassion. And once again a life lost. "
Ervin Wolfram wrote on Dec 22, 2007 4:54 PM:
" ME : WSU has a national reputation as a drinking school. She and many others may be smart but are not very intelligent. They aren't the same. "
Sonny wrote on Dec 22, 2007 4:27 PM:
" "Host Ordinance"? We don't need more laws. The host of a party where minors are in attendance can already be charged with a crime if the minors drink. A new law wouldn't change a thing. "
bill1fj wrote on Dec 22, 2007 4:19 PM:
" The article said the student was under 21.
Isn't it illegal to provide alcohol to people under 21? Prosecute whoever provided the booze.
Some of her "friends" or other people that were around know who provided the drinks.
If they were real "friends" and responsible citizens they would turn the criminals in.
The best thing would be for the students at WSU, and other universities, to police themselves so that others don't die, or suffer.
Thank You "
wsustudent1 wrote on Dec 22, 2007 2:29 PM:
" Well said "That Guy"! My hope is for this event to open the eyes of college students to prevent tragedies such as this in the future. "
That Guy wrote on Dec 22, 2007 11:20 AM:
" Okay, I hate to say this considering i'm a student at WSU, but i have to say that the reason we see things like this happen is because it is conditioned in society that when you go to college, you get to party as hard as you can. I know i did and i still do go out, but i also agree that there has to be some level of personal responsibility here. She may not have set out to kill herself but i'd bet that she set out to get drunk. I also think there has to be some level of responsibility taken by the friends that dropped her off. If someone is drunk enough to die, you will know just by talking to them. This is a terrible tragedy, but we need to stop pointing fingers and being angry because DARE didn't work. "
Me wrote on Dec 22, 2007 11:02 AM:
" Blaming WSU educators is like blaming the cops for not catching her drinking or blaming the clergy for not offering her help. C'mon, that makes no sense what so ever. Why, in today's society, do you always put the blame on somebody else? "
Joe Blow wrote on Dec 22, 2007 10:52 AM:
" I'm glad you brought up Dare, as these "Just Say No" programs are part of the problem contributing to the ignorance of drugs among young people. Give people accurate information about drugs (yes, alcohol is a drug and it causes far more social harm than all other drugs put together) and they will be better equipped to make smarter decisions. Trying to scare kids or telling them to Just Say No! has been proven in several studies to have a negative overall outcome compared with providing factual information. "
Ezzee wrote on Dec 22, 2007 9:12 AM:
" There is only so much that the university and educators can do when it comes to educating about alcohol. Students go through a session on alcohol and the dangers of it during orientation week. They also are made aware of several of these issues, or at least they were, when they participated in the DARE program. There is only so much that can be done outside of hiring a personal babysitter for each student, which isn't feasible. At some point one has to cut the ties and say we've done what we can. Not to be callous, but whatever happen to personal responsibility? That being said, my thoughts and prayers are with the family in this time of tragedy. "
WSUAlumna06 wrote on Dec 22, 2007 8:44 AM:
" Obviously this is a tragedy, but has anyone looked at it from her point of view? She did not set out that day to kill herself. I was also a biology major/biochemistry minor at WSU, so I know the courseload. Anyone who has taken finals knows that it feels so good to 'let loose' and celebrate being done with a whole semester. There's also an especially awful class that semester that would drive anyone to drink... I don't want to make excuses for her. I just wanted to take a guess at what her motivations were. She probably thought she'd drink slow enough throughout the day that her BAC wouldn't become lethal. Too bad stuff happens... "
ssnuffy wrote on Dec 22, 2007 8:37 AM:
" You prevent this Me, By taking the blinders off and exposing alcohol for what it is instead of presenting it as a social excepted "disease" that we all do~!!! It kills, causes dissention, destroys families, marriages and the list goes on. Yet we'll whine and cry about breathin some guys smoke n lobby like hell to get him outta our bars so we kin enjoy our drink. This little gal was just doin what she's been taught is the "party' part of college life. And she now has paid the price for our freedom to play with a dangerous "drug" "
Me wrote on Dec 22, 2007 7:38 AM:
" Erv- You've gotta be joking, right? Explain to me how educators could have prevented this. From what I've read and have been told, this girl was extremely smart with a lot of potential. "
Jack Sparrow wrote on Dec 22, 2007 1:00 AM:
" She's not really to blame. Her friends should have helped her, since I'm sure it was obvious she was way too intoxicated. When you get intoxicated as fast as college students usually do, you just want to keep drinking. Even most grown adults who get intoxicated tend to keep drinking until someone tells them to stop. If her friends had realized just how intoxicated she was, this wouldn't have happened. It's a sad thing, but it happens, and there's little that can be done to prevent accidents like this. "
Ervin Wolfram wrote on Dec 22, 2007 12:30 AM:
" They say college students are so smart. Why then do they go out and get drunk and die from it? If they had half the smarts they thought they did they would go out and have one drink to celebrate. NO. They are just plain to smart. Or is that just plain too dumb? A need for better educators would help. "