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Winona bars feel pinch of Minnesota smoking ban

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Winona bars are reporting a steep decline in business a month after a statewide smoking ban went into effect.

At the 500 Club, bartender Becky Brinkmeyer has noticed some regulars aren’t staying as long. Others aren’t coming in at all.
Jessica Beno, left, of Winona, smokes a cigarette outside Brothers on Third Street Friday with Sarah Beno of Lakeview and Derick Entzminger of Minnetonka. When asked what he thought of the smoking ban, Entzminger said, "It should be up to each individual bar." The ladies added, "It sucks." (Photo by Melissa Carlo/Winona Daily News)

“People used to come in here because they can’t smoke in their car or home,” Brinkmeyer said. “Now they can’t smoke here.”

Matches, lighters and ashtrays that used to adorn the bar are now put away. You can still buy cigarettes at the bar. You’ll just have to step outside to enjoy.

Bar owners throughout the state are reporting a drop in business as a result of the smoking ban, and with winter coming, they fear it could get worse. Liquor stores seem to be enjoying some benefits, but bars in nearby parts of Wisconsin aren’t necessarily seeing a bump in business.

Winona bar operators concerned about the impact of the ban have asked the city to relax its restrictions on serving alcohol outdoors. On Monday, the city council is scheduled to consider an ordinance to allow alcohol on some enclosed patios and decks where smoking is permitted (see story at right).

The Winona American Legion has seen a similar decrease in sales, and not just alcohol. Bartender Barb Schewe says pull-tab charitable gambling sales are way down.

“We get the same people. They just don’t stay,” Schewe said. “Once it gets cold, I think it’ll be worse.”

The same story is playing out across the state, said Tavern League of Minnesota director of communications Sue Jeffers. “We’re feeling the pain everywhere,” she said.

Early estimates indicate an average loss of 20 to 30 percent in bar sales, Jeffers said. Places that also serve food are fairing better. Jeffers, a former bar owner, said a 2005 smoking ban in Hennepin County contributed to 137 bars closing.

In spite of bar owners’ claims, the sales slump doesn’t seem to have shown up in their liquor purchases.

Schott Distributing services about 100 bars and restaurants in the Winona area. General sales manager Bernie Schott said he saw no change in the company’s October sales.

“There’s no apparent trend we can see so far,” Schott said.

Schott has been told by distributors in other states with a smoking ban to expect about a 2 percent decrease in sales.

Not flocking to Wisconsin

Bob Baures, owner of George’s Bar in Bluff Siding, Wis., said customers aren’t flocking to his bar across the river.

“It’s been pretty minimal — maybe about a five percent increase,” Baures said.

Other bar owners on the Wisconsin side of the river say they haven’t seen an increase in business.

While Minnesota’s smoking ban may give bars like his on the border a slight edge in attracting some out-of-state customers, Baures is afraid a proposed smoking ban in Wisconsin would hurt businesses like his, too.

Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle this year introduced a bill to outlaw smoking in all workplaces, including bars and restaurants.

Jim Jenkins, owner of the Trempealeau Hotel in Trempealeau, Wis., made the decision to go smoke-free in 1994. He was concerned for his health and the health of his employees.

“It was either go smoke-free or get out of the bar business,” Jenkins said.

There were some very unhappy customers, some of whom never came back. Others did come back and brought their non-smoking friends. Jenkins decided to focus on being a family restaurant.

“We’re really happy with what happened to us,” Jenkins said.

Smokers staying home?

The smoking ban may be a boon for liquor stores.

Third Street Liquor owner Ken Siebenaler said he’s seen a slight increase in sales, but it’s too early to tell if it’s because more people are drinking at home rather than the bars.

Kato Liquor manager Aimee Larson said her store has also seen a slight increase. “I think we’ll see more of an increase as it gets colder,” she said.

The real test for Winona bars will come in about six months, said Tom Overland, owner of The Bar and the Mankato Bar. He said both businesses have experienced about a 20 to 30 percent loss.

“We’ll just have to ride it out,” Overland said. “I’m thinking sooner or later they’ll get bored with watching TV.”

No citations

Winona police have yet to issue a citation for smoking in a bar and say they haven’t gotten any complaints.

Opinions around Winona

Have/will you be going to the bars less because of the state smoking ban?


  • “I’ve been going to the bars about the same.

    Personally I think it’s a good idea; you got to respect the people who don’t smoke and give them credit.”

    Bill Tarras, 49, of Winona at the Winona VFW

  • “I haven’t been going to the bars any less. Going to smoke outside, I don’t see a problem with it, but it is an inconvenience.”

    Ben Alker, 22, of Rochester, Minn., at Betty Jo’s in Winona

  • “I’ve been going to the bars less; it’s easier to light up inside. Why not stay inside and at home in that case? The government has got other, bigger problems that should be addressed. It’s got to be the stupidest thing ever.”

    Terry Schwanke, 56, of Weaver, Minn., at the Winona VFW

  • “I’ve been going less. It’s wrong. I think it should be up to the bartender’s

    discretion whether to make it smoking or not.”

    Julie Strain, 38, of Winona at Dan’s Dugout in Winona

  • “I guess it’s good for me because it causes me to smoke even less, so I like that. I’m not going to not go to the bars because of the ban. May cause us to drink a little more though.”

    Brittany Bekkum, 24, of Winona

    Contact Käri Knutson at kknutson@winonadailynews.com or (507) 453-3523.
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    Me wrote on Nov 10, 2007 8:07 AM:

    " What a great hand for "Perfect Stranger". Always right. Never wrong. I could think of a better one "Perfect ARSE" "

    dropdead wrote on Nov 7, 2007 2:31 PM:

    " What a true democratic society we live in! I don't remember voting on a smoking ban. This is just another example of liberals wanting to control everyones lives. I am a smoker and have no problem stepping outside to smoke however when it is 10 below zero out I will be at home, not the bars. As far as the decline in bar business I believe accurate numbers will be known after winter, and lets not forget next summer when the college kids are gone. Good luck bar owners, you're gonna need it. "

    frogger wrote on Nov 6, 2007 10:50 AM:

    " I think we are all forgeting the fact that the Government made this choice and not just non-smokers. I am a smoker and yes I still go to the Bars. I just don't go as often. I believe that we all have a right to choose how we keep our bodies healthy (or otherwise). It is an inconvenience for me to step outside and smoke....but I smoke less! Maybe that IS a step in the right direction. As for the local Bars business will eventually pick up again when everybodies heads finally cool. "

    hank hill wrote on Nov 6, 2007 10:04 AM:

    " Hey ct do you light and crack one open around your kids maybe you are giving them the bad ideas not the college kids. "

    TS wrote on Nov 5, 2007 7:06 PM:

    " I think it's funny how the non smokers are so concernd for thier health but they sit in the bar and drink. But when they are in the bar are they not dumping the poison of alcohol in thier bodys real health freaks. Ps to CTROCK there is a free toilet on broadway maybe you should go grab then the college kids next to you have a place to go LOL "

    CT Rock wrote on Nov 5, 2007 3:16 PM:

    " i smoke where i wanta and I don't really care if the bar disapproves. They have to take my lit ciggy from my cold dead hands. "

    J.D. wrote on Nov 5, 2007 2:32 PM:

    " Ok, we have a singer who is in a bar 5 nights a week...Where is there a band in Winona during the week? I think someone is fibbing here...Even with Kaoroke, 5 nights a week in Winona and if that's the case, I am glad I'm not there. As a former smoker, I can tell you that non-smokers are bragging about the whole clean air thing in the bars. They are annoying. My group of friends have been holding more home parties because a majority of them smoke, so we just hang at various houses now. And I'm not a college student, but a local Winonan who has been in these bars since I was under the legal age many years ago. I think it should be up to the bar to decide and of the non-smokers don't like it, here's smoke in your face! "

    OldMillXxX wrote on Nov 5, 2007 1:09 PM:

    " We went out for Halloween and it was great to come home without having to hang our costumes outside. We had a blast and didn't have sore eyes or lungs the next day. Big difference! The bar we were at was known for not having the best ventilation befrore the ban. As far as comments go, wouldn't the non-smokers whining before the ban be just as loud as the non-smokers gloating after the ban? Just a thought to consider... "

    PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 4, 2007 6:48 PM:

    " Customers demand fresh beer, so it stands to reason that a distributor would not load up a bar with more kegs, cans or bottles than needed between orders. A month is plenty long enough to get a sense of changes in sales volume. BUTTERFLY is "sure" that bars have an average they order each month. I'd love to know how BUTTERFLY is "sure" of this. I would think beer and liquor sales fluctuate for all sorts of reasons, so I am not going to make any such claim of certain knowledge. Common sense tells me a standard regular order is extremely unlikely. "

    PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 4, 2007 6:37 PM:

    " BUTTERFLY, your reply to me changed nothing. I didn't have any trouble comprehending what you wrote in your original comment. What you don't understand is, you are telling everyone you don't want to patronize the bars because you don't want to listen to non-smokers 'gloating'. But you yourself wrote that you haven't yet been to a bar since the ban took effect, so how would you know that is happening? Also, again, if you don't want the bars you WENT to to close, get out of the house and onto your favorite barstool, pronto! "

    yarnivek wrote on Nov 4, 2007 6:26 PM:

    " Two reasons to lie: 1) hope it makes potential patrons feel sorry for them and come in. 2) hope to get law repealed. Like I said, wait until the tax receipts come in. That will tell the TRUE story. "

    Yada Yada wrote on Nov 4, 2007 5:02 PM:

    " Why would the bar owners lie? Its a State law not a city law, not like proving they are LOSING business is going to affect the outcome of anything. The bar I choose to frequent is WAY down on business. I'm not a smoker but am tired of non smokers thinking they are above everyone else. I witnessed someone leaving their cigs and lighter on a bar so it was handy to take outside and of course a non smoker complained and demanded them to be put away. Get over yourselves!And by the way, I go to the bar to drink pop ( non drinker) maybe I should start ratting on the people that have drank too much and may be endangering MY life when I leave that establishment.Hoorah for you Misskitty , you went out 5 nights in a week, get a LIFE. "

    CT Rock wrote on Nov 4, 2007 4:59 PM:

    " I think this is great to teach those college students a lesson, but I feel I should be able to smoke if I wanta. I got into an argument over at one of the bars with the bartender because he wouldn't let me light up. I even asked the other patrons if it would bother them and they said it was no problem to them. But the stupid barkeep told me I had to go if I lit up cuz he could get in trouble. Ain't my problem and I feel I should have the right to smoke where I wanta. I'VE HAD IT! "

    yarnivek wrote on Nov 4, 2007 4:49 PM:

    " I'm pretty sure bars order beer more than once a month. I'd guess at LEAST once a week. It's already been one month. We sell some beer and wine at the restaurant I manage. At our place, the distributor checks our inventory and leaves what he thinks we'll need, presumably based on past history. I would assume it's the same at bars. If bars have seen a "steep decline" in business, obviously they would need less beer. If their order remained the same despite fewer sales, by now they would have a substantial inventory backed up. "

    BUTTERFLY wrote on Nov 4, 2007 4:41 PM:

    " Ok Perfect Stranger....Ii don't go to the bars because I don't like listening to nonsmokers say how happy they are...it really pisses me off to have to sit and listen to them, so if they weren't in the bars I would start going again, therefore it is the non smokers faults that I am not patronizing the local bars anymore. Get it!! Also I am sure bar owners just have an average that they order each month. That would be why the distribitors have not notice a decline... Just wait it will happen. "

    Al Lagoon wrote on Nov 4, 2007 3:44 PM:

    " The same thing happened in Minneapolis after they banned smoking in bars and restaurants - the smokers had a hissy fit and stopped going, or went to St. Paul, but eventually they came back. "

    yarnivek wrote on Nov 4, 2007 3:20 PM:

    " Hmm, same amount of liquor being bought, yet bar owners claim they have fewer patrons. Methinks bar owners are lying. Let's wait until the sales tax receipts come in state wide. That will tell the story. "

    hmm wrote on Nov 4, 2007 2:10 PM:

    " We haven't been to the bar since the ban started. Instead I get to listen to all the drunks be forced outside. The drunks are loud when they are outside. I DON'T blame the drunks for being drunk I blame the people who put them there! I choose to stay home to drink cause no one is going to force me to stand outside while I am trying to have a beer and relax!! "

    PerfectStranger wrote on Nov 4, 2007 11:50 AM:

    " I'm trying to understand how BUTTERFLY can claim that nonsmokers will be at fault for "...shutting down Winona's small bars!!!" when BUTTERFLY admits to not having been to a bar since the smoking ban was enacted. BUTTERFLY is contributing to the very problem (she?) bemoans. If patrons want the bars to survive, they must remain active patrons. I also would like to know why the distributor hasn't seen a slowdown in deliveries, yet some bar owners claim reduced sales. Something isn't right here... "

    xfs-123 wrote on Nov 4, 2007 11:21 AM:

    " Squarehead: We have been to Bub's twice, three bar/restaurants in Stillwater and a bar/restaurant in Lake City. All of these were formerly smoking businesses that we would not have entered. I don't go to bars normally and doubt I ever will but when a bar has a restaurant it is a pleasure to not come out not stinking and still able to breathe. I have no sympathy for smokers but have a high regard for myself and other people who value their health! "

    misskitty7659 wrote on Nov 4, 2007 9:26 AM:

    " I am a singer and I have asthma. I was in a lot of pain after spending a night in a bar. Not anymore and I find myself going out to more bars than I used to (5 nights this past week). If I have a choice between a bar here in Winona or one across the river, I decide to stay right here in town. I have noticed a lot of new people coming out and the places that I go are filling up quite early in the evening whereas before, it would be towards the end of the night. Perhaps the bars that are seeing a decline in business are losing customers because the customers have found more interesting places to go. "

    BUTTERFLY wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:39 AM:

    " I really think the smoking ban sucks... I am a X smoker, But still belive in smokers rights. I feel really bad for small bar owners that cannot even smoke in the building they spent their savings to buy/own. I personally have not been to a bar since the smoking ban, just for the simple fact I am so sick of hearing how happy the non smokers are. So please by all means enjoy your time shutting down Winona's small town bars!!! "

    mandmlady1958 wrote on Nov 4, 2007 8:10 AM:

    " Being a non-smoker, I think the ban is great. I can now come home after an evening out without smelling like a dirty ashtray. My coat can be worn a 2nd day. The places I go to have the same patrons as before but am also seeing new people in those bars. "

    Backslash wrote on Nov 4, 2007 7:33 AM:

    " In a word, YES. We went to Bub's yesterday for the first time in years, and would not have done so if it was still smoky - what a pleasant change to find clean, breathable air! Losing the stench of cigarettes makes us far more willing to go out and enjoy Winona's restaurants, and makes the food taste better. "

    The Squarehead wrote on Nov 3, 2007 11:33 PM:

    " I remember all the people that said,as soon as the smoking ban went into effect, they would start going out to the local restaurants and taverns. Are all these people actually doing that? In a word....NO. "


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