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Published - Thursday, November 01, 2007
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Today’s world is ‘very different from when I was little’

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It’s Halloween, and we are spooked.

According to ancient pagan tradition, it’s the scary season — the dead supposedly walking the earth and all that — but it’s not the ancient pagans shaking in their sandals.
The whole country seems to be going around with a lump in its throat and a fear-puckered butt. Most folks seem inclined to nod and agree with the worried 35-year-old mom quoted in a recent newspaper story: “It’s very different from when I was little.”

Let’s see, looking back 35 years, the Middle East was a mess, the economy was queasy, we were stuck in a war we couldn’t seem to get out of and we were led by a president we’d re-elected

against our better judgment, whose low regard for the niceties of the law threatened to put the Constitution itself in jeopardy.

Well, I guess some things never change. But back then, I don’t remember so many being so scared of so much … for so little reason.

From where I sit, it seems people haven’t been seeing so many ghosts, goblins and things-that-go-bump-in-the-night since we quit burning witches, a practice certain of our fundamentalist brethren seem to be not all that adverse to resuming — provided they can calculate the carbon-offset for an auto-de-fe. We’re frightened on the left, scared on the right and pretty darn nervous right down the middle — all in a world that’s probably never been safer.

Yeah, think about it. When she was little, that worried mom likely lived in a house coated with lead paint, bounced around sans seat belt or high-tech baby seat in an airbagless automobile burning leaded gas and plenty of it.

She grew up on red meat, whole milk, Wonder Bread, lots of butter — and for a real treat, her mom served up a seven-can casserole, with a Twinkie for dessert, none of which was stamped with an expiration date.

Kids solved their own playground problems, often as not with a fist fight in the alley. The “dumb kids” dropped out of school, got a job, got married, bought a house and raised a family — while their academically inclined classmates graduated and, in time, moved in next door. Sort of “no child left behind,” without all the tests. She survived second-hand smoke, legal booze at 18, Chernobyl, Reaganomics, leisure suits, Monica-gate, disco and New Coke.

She’s right, things were different ...

They were different on the front page, too. Today, we have an administration soiling itself in fear that Ahmadinejad’s Iran, if it tries real hard, might be able to come up with some sort of atom bomb in seven or eight years.

Thirty-five years ago, there were 15,000 Soviet A-bombs pointed at us — not to mention the Red Chinese nukes. And if Ahmadinejad is nuts, I recall Nikita Khrushchev, red-faced, pounding his shoe on the table at the U.N. when things weren’t going his way.

Let’s not forget, it was 45 years ago this month that Kennedy and Khrushchev were nose-to-nose over nuclear missiles in Cuba. Kennedy resolved that situation without firing a shot, and because he did, we’re here to remember it.

We were lucky then to have leaders who didn’t scare too easily in a world where there were genuine things to be feared. The collection of misfits and nutjobs our current leaders have dignified with the sobriquet of Islamo-facists would have been vanishingly small potatoes to

Truman, Eisenhower or Churchill. They’d faced and fought the real thing. They’d have called them what they are — thugs, kidnappers, murderers and thieves — and seen to it they were tracked down, put on trial and packed off to prison; glad and relieved to be rid of them, but never giving them such credit as being a real threat to the essential survival of our country or the way we live.

But on this Halloween, we seem to be a spooked nation, cowed by a rag-tag bunch of criminals and tin-pot politicians. It’s past time we straightened up and announced to ourselves and to the world that there are no monsters in the closet, no bogeymen under the bed.

Bin Laden’s hiding in a cave and save for a few rough spots, all is right with the world.

Today may be Halloween, but Thursday is All Saints Day — the triumph of light over darkness, good over evil, life over death, of courage over fear.

Were things “very different when I was little?” Yes and no.

Are we, as a people, different? I hope not, I certainly hope not.

Contact Jerome Christenson at (507) 453-3522 or jchristenson@winonadailynews.com.
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sanfi74 wrote on Nov 6, 2007 10:08 AM:

" Rawhide: Do you feel so strongly about the threat that you'd be willing to actually go overseas and fight? Or encourage a friend to fight? Or a family member? I do think we are threatened by certain segments of the world's population, but I don't believe a pre-emptive, unilateral strike on a soverign nation makes us safer. I believe such a move would only rally support around Ahmadinejad, limit the effectiveness of the Iranian progressives and create more anti-American sentiment in the Mid-East (and the world, for that matter). We would also have fewer troops and resources available for protecting our own borders, and less money for domestic security and infrastructure, not to mention health care, education, etc. Is that idiotic? "

El Uno wrote on Nov 6, 2007 8:27 AM:

" Not surprising that comments that don't 100% support America are being censored... Must really be a drag being so scared all the time. Terrorists are doing exactly what they planned, causing fear in the weak minds of America. "

Rawhide wrote on Nov 6, 2007 3:17 AM:

" sanfi74... After just a few of the comments made by "a-mad-jihad" of Iran, there is no real need took look at the rest of his rhetoric; any sane person can see he is a maniac. We understand you do not see the islamofacists as a threat. We do. Talk all you want, but I am putting my money on the US military to keep me safe. Lets face it, the US military is the only thing that stands between you and a new prayer rug. It is no wonder that V.I. Lenin called American liberals usefull idiots. "

Troller wrote on Nov 5, 2007 2:06 PM:

" Fine. You win! I'm going to cut and run now. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 5, 2007 12:52 PM:

" cewoodford: You cite me for ignoring "actions and speeches" coming out of Iran, but that's exactly what you're doing. You're cherry-picking, which doesn't allow you to consider the entire truth on this matter (ie, the Iranian leaders are not psychopaths hell-bent on their own destruction). Certainly there have been some vile things said by Iran's leaders ... but we have to consider how much of a threat this actually poses. It is my opinion that the threat is not great ... and there are certainly a number of threats in the world more serious than this. And even though we disagree, I'd be happy to share a little bit of what I'm smoking. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 5, 2007 12:48 PM:

" I believe Khrushchev is a more apt comparison when discussing the threat of nuclear war than Hitler, because we're dealing with the issue of mutually assured destruction. Israel has scores of nukes with which to defend itself, plus a very robust military and full backing of the United States. If any state even seriously considers attacking Israel they'll be toast, and the leaders know that, and they're not going to committ suicide. And to insinuate that I might agree with Ahmadinejad on the Holocaust is another cheap rhetorical trick. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 5, 2007 12:40 PM:

" Troller: I did discuss the topic in my post. You can't just dismiss it because it doesn't conform to your beliefs. Calling my opinions "really weird" and acusing me of "passing them off as the truth" is a really convuleted excersise in debate. Talk about the last resort of a "failing/faulty discussion." I didn't flesh out my reasons for citing the inaccuracies of your first post because I didn't have time (as I explained). I don't think you're a liar, I just disagree with your opinions there. If you'd like me to I could get back to those, but there's so much more I need to get to now (and again, limited time). "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 4, 2007 11:39 PM:

" Furthermore Sanfi74, Ahmadninejad(sp?)is a Holocaust denier who held a world CONFERENCE on such a blatantly disgusting subject this past summer...so ANY references to him being a Hitleresque are WELL founded and deserved to the utmost degree. But please, why dont you educate the WDN readers and myself on the shining light of acceptance and brotherhood that is Ahmadninejad(sp?)and his Cleric handlers? This non-believer obviously needs to be educated more on Mid-East politics and the religion of peace. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 4, 2007 11:32 PM:

" In re to Sanfi74 and El Uno, first I fuly stand by my comments and believe they hold up strong. To ignore actions and speeches made by the current Iranian "leaders" and allow them to go Nuclear is certainly appeasement. Does Israel NOT have the right to exist as a state? Irans clerics and their puppet Ahmadinejad have publicly stated they wish to wipe them from the globe..does that NOT raise a red flag for you? You want to allow them to have Nuclear power? Come on, you cant rationally justify your words. If you dont honestly see them as a threat, I'll take some of whatever you're smoking brother. "

Troller wrote on Nov 3, 2007 11:12 AM:

" Sanfi74, you state it is unfair to use Hitler or Chamberlain as examples, while you use Krushchev to support your theory. Seems a little double standard is in play here. "Do as I say, not as I do?" In a nuclear holocaust, the people in power are staying in power because the leaders have a (listen closely now) "A BACK UP PLAN!" We just get to sit there and watch, or live with the fall out, no pun intended. We have seen the rise of many a dictator and ethnic "cleansing" since Hitler. It has never stopped. Pretending it didn't happen is what Iran's current PRESIDENT is saying. May we assume you are siding with Ahmadinejad on this issue? "

Troller wrote on Nov 3, 2007 11:01 AM:

" My apologies. I thought you were the same Sanfi74 who basically called me a liar in your first post. That's not discussion. It's the last resort of a failing / faulty discussion, turned argument. Expressed or implied it's name calling. Yes, I read your post. And you still are not discussing the topic, you are expressing your opinion. Which is fine, you're entitled to believe whatever you like, just as I am free to disagree with you. However, if you would like to give another try, answer my question about WWIII. Has it started yet? Do ideologies which want to kill you and me regardless of our political views need time to properly "weapon up" for a more organized attack? "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 3, 2007 9:36 AM:

" Troller: You're kind of mean, and hurt my feelings. What was so rambling about my response? How am I denying American history? And I didn't deny there are tensions in the Middle East ... I just offer some thoughts/quotes/hypotheticals that add to the discussion. Now that I think about it, I don't feel bad anymore. I don't think you even read what I wrote, because your response has nothing to do with what I wrote. Last thought: For you to not dismiss history, consider what happened with the Soviet Union. We avoided nuclear war with them without invasion. My feeling is that most people in power want to stay in power and don't want to die, and they wouldn't do something as rash as launching an attack that would guarantee their destruction. "

Troller wrote on Nov 3, 2007 8:08 AM:

" OOPS! One last thing. History repeats itself and has been since man set foot out of the primordial ooze. Profound denial of this simple "FACT" doesn't change (or help) anything. WWI was fought to end all wars. So was WWII. Perhaps WWIII has already started. America's enemies just need some time to get up to speed with weaponry. Shall we give them the time they need? Now, how did all this begin? Jerome's caption says it best. " Today’s world is very different from when I was little." I think all of the opinions posted support that caption. "

Troller wrote on Nov 3, 2007 7:51 AM:

" No Sanfi 74, your rambling post expressing your complete denial of tensions and feelings about America in the Middle East really doesn't get you back in the conversation, any more than your denial of American history as it happened. Complete denial is not a discussion, it's an opinion which is absolute. No discussion needed. It's your right, and I feel you are completely off base. Taunting me and coming back with more of that "really out there" opinion and passing it off as fact,,, well it tells us a lot about you, not the world. As for El Uno, this post speaks for itself and anyone reading this thread can figure where El Uno comes from. Nice try Sanfi74. I guess this discussion is over. "

El Uno wrote on Nov 2, 2007 3:28 PM:

" cewoodford & Troller- We've already eliminated one government this decade, isn't that enough? Also, I was refering to a world war breaking out, which is never going to happen again. "Iran is motivated by religous hate..." ????? If there is one country in this world motivated by religious hate, it's the good ole U.S. of A., and even that is a stretch. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 2, 2007 2:11 PM:

" Troller: Am I allowed back into the discussion? Is that "grownup" enough for you? Don't dismiss criticism by labeling it beneath you. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 2, 2007 2:07 PM:

" There are also practical concerns to consider before launching (or even supporting) an invasion: How are we going to invade another country? Where will the troops come from? Where will the money come from? Will unilaterally invading Iran strengthen or weaken the burgeoning opposition in that country? Will an invasion strengthen or weaken Ahmadinejad's (and other conservative's) standing in Iran? Lots to think about, my friends ... legitimate concerns on both sides, but let's not get distracted with Hitler/Chamberlin comparisons. They don't apply. "

sanfi74 wrote on Nov 2, 2007 2:07 PM:

" cewoodford: This is not an example of appeasement. Appeasement means to make concessions to your enemy in order to maintain the peace. I think what we're looking at here is rationality. Ahmadinejad is no Hitler, and the Chamberlin reference is unfair. Ahmadinejad is not even the leader of Iran; Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the current Supreme Leader of Iran. His response to Ahmadinejad's comment about wiping Israel off the face of the map? "the Islamic Republic has never threatened and will never threaten any country." He condemned the attacks of 9/11. He has issued a fatwa against the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons. So there's more to the story here that we need to consider. "

Troller wrote on Nov 2, 2007 12:19 PM:

" Huh?? There are wars breaking out all over the world as we speak. War can drive a failing economy faster and better than anything presently known to man. War is a money machine, look what it's costing us. And our economy continues to grow. But economies not withstanding, Iran is motivated by a religious hatred. I don't believe you can reason with them. We certainly aren't intimidating them by any measure. Last poll I saw, said 53% of Americans think this will end in an invasion of Iran. Maybe yes, maybe no. When it comes to first strikes, I'll side with preemptive measures. Tis better to give, than receive. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 2, 2007 10:43 AM:

" If you say so Chamberlain ...oops. I mean El Uno. Appeasement is a policy that NEVER works, despite what the politicians running for office would have you believe. I do however believe that bombing Iran is NOT the answer, elininating their government however is. The citizens are caught in a mess created by a Theocracy which represents a small minority of the citizenry of Iran. "

El Uno wrote on Nov 2, 2007 9:32 AM:

" So what if he says it? He's not going to do it. Fact is the world is different now then it was back in WWII. There will never be another world war because economies are so dependent on one another that picking a side would send most countries into a recession. "

cewoodford wrote on Nov 1, 2007 3:29 PM:

" Does the fact that Irans leader has stated publicly that he wants to "wipe Israel off the map in a rain of fire" not sound any kinda alarm or red flag to anyone? "

Troller wrote on Nov 1, 2007 8:25 AM:

" I agree, it would seal Iranian fate. Would this then start WWIII? Would the price of oil destroy economies built on oil? From what we hear in those sound bites, we may be more concerned with Iranian fate than the leadership of Iran. What say you? "

El Uno wrote on Nov 1, 2007 7:56 AM:

" The reason everyone is so freaked out is because they watch the news and get a 30-second sound bite of how Iran is still building a nuclear program, but the stories never go in depth enough to discuss just how unlikely it is that Iran would ever detonate one. It would seal the death certificate for the entire country. "

Troller wrote on Oct 31, 2007 1:58 PM:

" Hey, I don't buy into 2012 either, just reporting what the conspiracy folks have been ranting about all week on the history channel. Just interesting convergence that's all. The point is, if Iran actually detonates a nuke, anywhere outside it's own boarders, what will be the ensuing reaction? Sorry sanfi74, we have to leave you out of this discussion, it's for grownups. So what happens next? If this isn't the same world as when we were kids, what will our kids world look like if a religious zealot explodes the big one? Let's discuss it! "

WSUalum00 wrote on Oct 31, 2007 10:42 AM:

" Well, upon second review of Troller's comment, I don't know about the prophecies for 2012 being legit, but I do agree with his/her other statements! "

WSUalum00 wrote on Oct 31, 2007 10:40 AM:

" Good points, Troller! Yes, Sanfi74, Troller's points are all true. And Jerome, before you say the *world* isn't much different than it used to be, maybe you better look beyond the limits of your comfy little life in Winona. Life there, thankfully, isn't exactly representative of life in metro areas, where a majority of our population resides. "

sanfi74 wrote on Oct 31, 2007 9:55 AM:

" I don't have much time: Troller -- nothing you say is true. Jerome -- excellent article. "

El Uno wrote on Oct 31, 2007 8:00 AM:

" Cayce was one crazy hombre. The guy treated undocumented medical diseases with no type of medical training and prediced that a small logging town in SE Minnesota would find it's king in the form of an illegal alien from Mexicana........ "

Troller wrote on Oct 31, 2007 7:45 AM:

" Closed the history book a little too soon? Because Roosevelt didn't enter the war sooner, Truman was forced to nuke. Because Chamberlain took the Democrat's present day approach, London enjoyed Hitler's air-show. Krushchev was angry, not nuts, and certainly not backed by an entire nation who believe, if they die fighting and killing Americans, they go to paradise. I'm trying to imagine the world today if Japan had nuke carrying kamikazes, or if Hitler had gotten nukes first. But since history doesn't matter here's one for you. The Mayans, Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce predict the world will end in 2012! Pretty big coincidence isn't it? Happy Halloween! "


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