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Published - Saturday, September 22, 2007
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A good view from top destroys view from below

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The Winona City Council may limit blufftop building in the future. There’s a comforting thought.

There is little blufftop left in the city that hasn’t been developed. We’ll have an ordinance in place, but it won’t have a use.
A proposed five-lot subdivision near Garvin Heights had its preliminary plat approved at this week’s council meeting. The cluster plat for Solivia Estates will make way for five building lots overlooking the city. The building sites may be some of the last remaining bluff lots overlooking the city.

Of course, the appeal — and value — of the lots will be dependent on the view. The developer, Dan Nisbit, is gambling the lots will be desirable, but at the same time he is assuring the council the homes won’t be seen from the valley.

That’ll be a neat trick — homes looking over the valley but not visible from the valley.

The city is backpedaling to put a bluffland ordinance in place that will protect the city’s blufftops from development. It’s a little late. Almost every bit of private land in the city that overlooks the city has homes on it now.

Nisbit knows the restriction is coming and he wants approval before his land can’t be made as profitable as he hoped.

When all is said and done, it’s about money.

A building lot in this development will be easy to sell if the view is spectacular. Most views from the bluffs are. The lots certainly will have little to offer as a building site. Each lot will provide a challenge to the homeowner and the builder. It won’t be hard to keep the bulk of the lot in its natural state — another aspect of building on a steep lot. Homeowners won’t have much use for a lawnmower. The steep lots will keep the owners from planning much of a yard.

The value of this cluster development is in the view it will offer. At the very least, prospective homeowners will be able to see the river valley. For that, the developer will be able to make a tidy profit.

The city planners tried to predict if the homes would be seen from the city. Using a bucket truck, the planners did their best to predict if the house tops would be visible from the city. The planners didn’t think so.

That shouldn’t be good enough. Houses will protrude from this bluff.

When houses are built, trees will be cut down. If the houses aren’t visible then, the house will certainly be visible when the trees lose their leaves in the fall and winter.

This building site is all about making a profit. The city council has become weak-kneed about stopping this development. If the city approves the final plat, Nisbit will be able to profit from his investment and we’ll all have to pay for the city’s mistake.

Free speech reaches the toilet

Sen. Larry Craig’s bathroom stall foot-tapping has forever changed how men will use a public restroom. Now, the American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that Craig’s bathroom etiquette should be protected under his freedom of speech.

The First Amendment is a troublesome freedom. Our right to free speech has caused us to allow flag burning, pornography and now the ACLU argues that propositioning a person in the bathroom stall next to you is your right as long as you don’t have sex right there in the bathroom.

I’m sure the crafters of our Bill of Rights did not envision the likes of Craig or Larry Flynt when they wrote the freedom of speech law. As smart and as forward-thinking as our founding fathers were, they couldn’t possibly predict our society was going to get so weird.

The ACLU has never missed an opportunity to find extreme cases to protect our rights. Next we’ll be defending the poetry on the public bathroom stalls.

Jim Galewski is the retired editor and Opinion page editor of the Winona Daily News. His views don’t necessarily reflect the views of the newspaper. If you have an idea or tip about a Winona issue, call Jim at (507) 452-3960. His e-mail is editor@luminet.
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to The city better get prepared to pay out the nose for this one wrote on Sep 27, 2007 8:57 PM:

" Sounds like a lame scare tatic to me "

The city better get prepared to pay out the nose for this one wrote on Sep 27, 2007 12:44 PM:

" If you socialists think for one second you can devalue these private landowers property without fair and adequate compensation you're in for a BIG surprise. 1st, the city will have to compensate them for the devaluation and then 2nd, youre going to have to adjust their property tax assesment( lower amounts of $$on the tax rolls). But go ahead and do it Socialists of Winona, see how quickly the landowners form a group to haul the taxpayers to court... "

mudslides wrote on Sep 26, 2007 12:22 PM:

" I will not feel sorry for these buyers when their homes end up on HWY 61 after a mudslide. FEMA should not come through with trailers, as it was a known problem. No bank should fund those mortgages. "

El Uno wrote on Sep 25, 2007 12:37 PM:

" What ever happened to a sense of community? I believe these people who buy up the land on the bluffs have the right to build what they want, but just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. The real essence of Winona is not a fake boat sitting on our levee, it's the surrounding natural beauty; and every new house that goes up on our bluff takes a little bit away from that beauty. Build a look out if you want a view, but respect the gift we have been given. "

Simple wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:11 AM:

" Want a good view? Then buy it. Don't impose / restrict others who have invested their $$$ to obtain it or try to profit from it. I would love a lot with an excellent view but never will be able to afford one - but I can accept that. Sounds like envy to me. Pretty soon we will all be forced to drive a compact car for the sole reason that a larger vehicle blocks everyone's view. There is an abundance of State / Public land one can enjoy the beauty from. YOU are already paying for that - USE IT. The city council has enough other issues to address. "

Go, Jim! wrote on Sep 24, 2007 9:10 AM:

" On the bluffs - I really DO think all the development on the bluffs ruin the beauty of the whole area. Its sad that money rules on these things. We will look back some day and regret these decisions. On ACLU - next they'll defend solicitation by prostitutes. I know what you mean, Jim, there are some very fine lines being crossed here. Can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, either. My main issue with the Senator Craig fiasco is his two-faced public disgust with homosexuality. I have no problem with his orientation or choices, but he needs to keep that in perspective with his politics, too. "

wetlands wrote on Sep 23, 2007 3:50 PM:

" I see they have filled Lake Park with a lot of dirt. Keeping the land low, kept the the water out of higher land, we have the opposite now, unless they want to keep a permanent dike around Lake Winona. The bricks they added for fill in the 80's down at East Lake across from the root beer stand does not do a good job of absorbing water. What are we thinking? "

flood wrote on Sep 23, 2007 1:19 PM:

" May 1st, 1936 " Do not forget the washout from Pleasant Vally Creek. " Aug 17th, 1932 " Do not forget the floods(and people killed) of Aug 17th, 1932, the lowlands of Pleasant Valley need flood protection to. 2007 is not the 1st time this area has been flooded. " July 03, 1900 " Chairman Finch of Board of County Commisioners reported 3 bridges in Pleasant Valley taken out, 1 bridge in East Burns Valley. Do not forget Minnesota City floods of 1908, 1912 and 1914. They thought they had flood control back then even when they improved the railroad bridge. " "

re: muddy waters 6:12pm wrote on Sep 22, 2007 3:01 PM:

" the " buck " also takes precedence over the citizens of goodview. the tax payers will always pay for the downfalls of the few that make the decisions.( ps: when the trains come, we're out of here anyway.) "

He (or she) who has the gold... wrote on Sep 22, 2007 7:48 AM:

" Money. Money. Money. Money is power. Money talks. It's that simple. If you have money there's always a way to make something happen in your favor. If you don't have money you are simply a spectator 99% of the time. That's how it has always been. It is a waste of time for someone with less to try to restrict the activities of someone with more. If you don't have money, find a way to make more, then you can join the monied, self-serving folks with the spectacular views. "

Muddy Waters wrote on Sep 21, 2007 6:12 PM:

" Jim, Concentrate on the next disaster being railroaded through the approval process. Mr. Phillips land and developement depend on three or four earthen dams built upstream on land he does not control. So what happens when one of these unregulated dams washes out? Who will foot the bill for that clean up. It is a disaster waiting to happen, but because Mr. Phillips has some invisible VIP's pulling the strings at City Hall this too will become our next (what were they thinking) head knocker. Its well past time that City Hall admits it busted the taxpayers for extending services to this shell game of a development. Why are we paying for the rich to get richer? This development will NEVER be able to repay the taxbase that it robbed to get populated--NEVER "

Mud slides wrote on Sep 21, 2007 2:21 PM:

" There are a number of locations visible from the Highway 61 corridor where mud slides occur even though there are no developments on the hills. The cause is gravity. The hills are not eternal; the only thing that might outlast them is the human bickering about who has the right to use them. "

eh? wrote on Sep 21, 2007 1:40 PM:

" Jim, are you suggesting that pornography should have been outlawed because the founding fathers didn't see it coming? "

Property Owners rights? wrote on Sep 21, 2007 11:48 AM:

" What happened to the taking care of the little guy at the bottom of the hills? Looking out for him? He was there first? Mud and sand stone will come crashing down? Mark my words. You need look no farther than The Arches on 8/19 to see that. "

Water Slide. Mud Slide. wrote on Sep 21, 2007 11:46 AM:

" You add brick, cement and roofs to the top of the hill and cover up the ground. What do you get? Big time, Fast rolling, Run off. Didn't this flash flood teach SE MN anything? Water from the top either soaks in, or runs off. I hope the people at the bottom have an evacuation plan if it rains. Wake Up People. "

Jim, why dont YOU put your $$$ where your mouth is wrote on Sep 21, 2007 11:43 AM:

" and buy the land from Mr Nisbit so you can turn it into your own bluff preserve? If Mr Nisbit isnt allowed to develop his land, especially when he is working with the city as hard as he is, he shouldnt be required to pay the property taxes on it...WHAT? happened to property owners rights? Speaking of which, why arent all of the Historical Preservationists in this town stepping up to buy some of the vacant buildings downtown? They sure liked telling Merchants what they thought they could or couldnt do with the dumps they razed last year..Where are they now? Plotting the next Socialist uprising? "

Man from Nantucket wrote on Sep 21, 2007 11:14 AM:

" At last, Republicans will embrace the ACLU, right? Now that Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and Rep. Vitter have shown they are every bit as sleazy as those they have castigated for years, true colors shine brightly. Sleaze, sleaze, sleaze. "

Lefty Jim? wrote on Sep 21, 2007 8:11 AM:

" Sounds like commy liberalism...asking the City to tell someone what they can do with their land. "

Baby blues wrote on Sep 21, 2007 1:00 AM:

" WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! THOSE HOUSES WILL RUIN MY VIEW! I WANNA STAY STUCK IN THE 20TH CENTURY FOREVER AND NEVER CHANGE A THING! WHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! "


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